[Imc-jakarta] Re: [New-imc] Fwd: Jakarta IndyMedia - Seeking Clarification and Advice

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Hi Boud

Who the f#$k is cobber - and who the f#@k are "the locals" ?

My name is Sam and 'the locals' you refer to are peers who want to set up and 
be part of the IndyMedia network!

Anyhows - now that I have gotten that off me chest ;-) I'll briefly respond.

It is really hard for people here to have ready/easy access to email and the 
net. I'll try and encourage some of the folk here do join the list. Anyhow - 
I'll be meeting them again today and will take a copy of this to the gathering. 
By the way - it costs money to print out from any WarNet (public access 
terminal) and it costs money to access the net. It's very much user pays - over 
here.

I will also inquire to see if they have read the IndyMedia documentation you 
refer to. Is there a test they have to do after wards? (just joking - or maybe 
i am not)

It's a shame we can't regionalise this process!! 

Okay - shall leave it at that.

Thanks Bound for your response and clarification. It does make it clear what 
one has to do. 

Adios for now, Sam





Quoting boud <boud1@wp.pl>:

> On Wed, 15 May 2002, sheri herndon wrote:
> 
> > hi friends,
> > just passing this on to new-imc.
> > can someone give a status report who was working on this more
> actively?
> > boud was that you?
> 
> well, i didn't make any promises...
> 
> > i don't have time to look in the archives right now
> > but was hoping someone could give a rather quick update
> > and we could see how to proceed.
> > sheri
> 
> there's a communication problem somewhere, i'm not quite sure where.
> anyway, first, the archives:
> Meggy's application:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-April/003237.html
> my reply:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-April/003251.html
> Meggy's reply:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-April/003254.html
> trivial error correction by Meggy:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-April/003255.html
> 
> 
> g'day cobber,
> 
> > >I am here in Jakarta at the moment and am talking with some of the 
> > >folk who are
> > >mega keen to get Jakarta IndyMedia listed on the sidebar of IndyMedia
> sites.
> 
> Well, it's not just a technicality, other people in the network
> want to have some info on what's going on, how to communicate with
> people,
> some sign that the locals really have got to grips with the
> non-hierarchical,
> open, consensus style organising.  Of course, Indonesians are more
> likely
> to be able to teach others about consensus than vice versa, but this
> can't be done by ESP (extra-sensory perception) ;).
> 
> > >The main person here - Meggy - has - from what I understand -
> submitted the
> > >form within the process.indymedia site. I wander if someone could
> give me
> > >feedback as to where this is at and what else needs to be done in
> order for
> > >Jakarta Indy request to enter the channels of Indymedia
> decision-making?
> 
> > >I will be here for the next 3 or 4 days and am happy to assist them
> in
> > >completing whatever process/protocols necessary so that their site
> gets listed
> > >on the sidebar.
> 
> I don't know if it can be done in 3 or 4 days, but you can certainly
> get things moving, provided the locals are willing... Making sure 
> that several locals have functioning email accounts, that the local
> tech people are taking the time to teach the non-tech people about
> the basics.
> 
> OK, you can see the http refs above.
> 
> Quoting from:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-April/003251.html
> 
> IMHO, these are the steps which are most urgent:
> 
> > [in] ###
> > [in] Anda2 belum melakukan:
> > [in] 2) look at the documents ... http://newimc.indymedia.org -
> belum
> > [in] 4) menciptakan (dan pakai!) daftar surat
> > [in] - http://newlist.indymedia.org - belum
> > [in] 6) mission statement and editorial policy - belum (?)
> > [in] 7) membership criteria + new personal introduction - belum
> > [in] ###
> > [in]
> > [in] Ingatlah: penting bertanggung-jawab tentang semua ini dengan
> > [in] semua orang yang mau melakukan Indymedia di Jakarta...
> > [in]
> > [in] 8) final discussions @new-imc and @imc-process - belum
> > [in] misalnya, Chris <hutabar at rendo.dekooi.nl> atau saya dapat
> melakukan
> >
> >
> > [en] Probably the best explanation of the process is here:
> > [en]
> > [en]
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/003108.html
> > [en]
> > [en] IMHO, what we are waiting for you to do is:
> > [en] 2) look at the documents ... http://newimc.indymedia.org
> > [en] 4) make (and use!) a mailing list http://newlist.indymedia.org
> > [en] 6) mission statement and editorial policy
> > [en] 7) membership criteria + new personal introduction
> > [en] ###
> > [en]
> > [en] Remember: it's important to have lots of discussion about all
> > [en] of the above with all the people in Jakarta interested in
> Indymedia...
> > [en]
> > [en] 8) final discussions @new-imc and @imc-process -
> > [en] For example, either Chris or myself could do this
> 
> 
> 2) It's up to you to talk to Meggy and the others and see if
> they really have printed off the documents and started going through
> them. They're not just forms to fill out, maybe the reality behind
> them has already been done. But the best way to help others 
> (including other Jakartans) see this is:
> 
> 4) A mailing list imc-jakarta has been half-made. What is missing is:
> 
> 4a) the administrator is not subscribed
> 
> 4b) there is only one person subscribed, which seems like 
> not enough people have been invited, since 
> several people/organisations have posted to the existing site
> (http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au) with their email addresses
> 
> 4c) the link to the list is not working, it seems that the list has
> been converted from public to private. i really recommend that the
> list be:
> - "public" (i don't know where in the setup the public vs private
> option is chosen - i haven't administered any mailman lists)
> - publicly viewable archive (by anyone, subscriber or not)
> - allow anyone to send messages to the list (subscriber or not)
> - allow subscribers only to view the list of subscribers
> - send an email to listwork@lists.indymedia.org  to ask for
> the spamtrap method to be put in place
> 
> 6) mission statement & editorial policy
> 
> Well, i haven't seen any sign of these so far. If the locals
> can really write these up in 3-4 days while you're here, 
> and if these are really based on non-hierarchical, consensual
> discussions, great!
> 
> 7) membership criteria + new personal introduction
> 
> http://www.global.indymedia.org.au/front.php3?article_id=442
> 
> If you have bad web access, i could email this to you.  Remember that
> turning off auto-image-loading accelerates web access considerably.
> 
> > >Also, if you could inform as to how long it might take for the
> process to
> > >happen - that would be great :)
> 
> It all depends on how much the locals have already got together
> to discuss all the indymedia guidelines, documents, whether they've
> attempted to get together a wide variety of activist groups, etc.
> 
> In the particular case of Jakarta, it's obvious that "outreach" 
> could be more dangerous than in cities in mature "democracies",
> since the US is likely to support the military and do its best to
> sabotage any attempts at increasing freedom of speech, human rights,
> etc.  But conversely, the more people who are involved in a
> non-hierarchical
> way, and preferably who develop the habit of using the imc-jakarta
> mailing list (and as it develops you can make sub lists for 
> special purposes), the more difficult it will be to sabotage...
> 
> 
> > >I understand that Jakarta can go through a similar process to what
> happened
> > >with Adelaide. A site was set up first by a regional group (ie.
> Australia in
> > >this case) and then over a short period of time, got accepted in to
> the Indy
> > >community and got on to the side bar. I trust that this is okay?
> 
> Well, the Adelaide people did the discussions and prepared and
> sent the required documents to new-imc, and they do have two
> mailing lists (imc-adelaide & imc-adelaide-tech) with open archives.
> They're not that active, but at least they're there to help in
> efficient communication, e.g.
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-adelaide/2002-May/thread.html
> 
> Once the Jakarta people have really gone through the steps 2), 4) 
> and feel they're ready to send the documents 6), 7) to new-imc,
> then they should do this (send the documents 6), 7) to new-imc),
> and then it's normally a delay of 3 days on new-imc and then 7 days on
> imc-process. 
> 
> 
> > >Jakarta Indy does need a bit of technical fixing up - perhaps
> andy@cat.org.au
> > >could assist - or I could do some work from this end. I believe Meggy
> (the guy
> > >driving it here) has the necessary passwords.
> > >
> > >Thanks - looking forward to your response :)
> > >
> > >Best, Sam de Silva (one of the peoples who co-founded Melbourne
> IndyMedia)
> 
> Onyamate!
> 
> boud
> 
> PS: Once the imc-jakarta list is working properly, it would be the
> logical place to put drafts of documents.
> 
> 
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