[Imc-uk-process] san francisco indy troubles, part 2

[ana]

Hi all,

thanks Yoss for taking on following the usa matters. I can help out 
sharing my experiences in global lists & issues but i think i am 
involved enough globally to follow yet another list. For your info, i 
happen to be in these global working groups: process list moderation, 
new imc, volunteer page and spanish translation (nowadays pretty dead). 
So please people with less 'global experience' step in and share the 
view ;-).


Jack Cleaver wrote,

> Firstly, it's not clear to me that the split is particularly damaging to
> Global IMC. I appreciate that some of the principals in the dispute are
> "high-profile", 


I hate this 'high profile' thing. In my opinion: there are different 
roles, not different levels. techies have some expertise, we depend on 
them for vital things some times. This dependency should be minimised 
(and i'm really happy of how techie issues are dealt with in the uk, so 
far). In my opinion if techies make themselves dependent, it is an abuse 
of power.

> [...]. Anyhow, the enormous stature of someone's profile
> shouldn't be taken as evidence that they are indispensable, or even
> valuable. I make this observation out of ignorance - no doubt others are
> better-informed, and can put me straight;


I have some experience with global techies, on dealing with local 
new-imcs. I can't locate where each individual lives; the ones I have 
known are generally available when needed. Yes there are 'big profiles' 
if you put it that way. It is not my perception that any one is 
particularly indispensable; for most techie tasks that i have 
encountered there have always been 2 or more people with password access.

No one is indispensable. But every one is valuable. Not because of their 
techie knowledge, but because of their work - just as non techies work 
on non techie things. Every one is valuable and if i value these guys 
more is because they put an incredible amount of hours on indy work (or 
maybe because those hours are more visible than hours put on editorial 
tasks).

Ok so far my sharing of 'global experience', in no way intended to be 
'hey look how much i know', i just thought it would be useful.

> Secondly, while it's painful to observe one's relatives fighting with
> one-another, it's not easy to predict how any given intervention is
> going to change the situation. 


It can make _a big_ difference. i say this from my own uk experience. 
Really big difference. For more details on how big difference, i suggest 
email me in private or check this list's archives of 2 years ago, i 
don't want to bore anyone with past stories :-).

Can I suggest that Yossarian sends an email each collective "asking" 
them for a, clear, concise and calm summary, of the situation from their 
point of view. Maybe putting a limit on words? Or maybe you can email 
the us process list asking for that calmness, telling them that flames 
don't work?

 I suggest it because it is something that in the uk case it didn't 
really occur to us to write it, but when we did, it helped a lot to 
articulate the existing problems, in my opinion.

my 2 pence, not too sure of them myself.

ana. london.