[New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)

Sat May 4 07:56:02 PDT 2002

Hello / Bonjour,

si tu veux fermer le site, c'est possible. Je pense quand les personnes de
france veulent le fermer il ont le droit de faire ça.
En tout cas je pense que c'est mieux de replacer la page
france.indymedia.org avec une lettre pourquoi le site est ferme + une appel
pour des groupes interessés de former des collectives qui peux travailler
sur un nouveau imc
En tout cas c'est pas le groupe new-imc qui peut décider. C'est un décision
locale.

If you want to close the site, I think you can do that. If no one is working
on france indymedia, the people who were involved can close it down.
I think it's better to replace the site by a letter why it's closed + an
appeal to people to form imc's accros france.
Anyway, it's not new-imc who should decide about this, it's a local
decision.

Bart
sorry for the bad french.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nath+mat" <e212fr at yahoo.fr>
To: <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 2:07 AM
Subject: [New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)

> Hello,
>
> I join to you the various mails of
> the members of france.indymedia team
> who will allow you to understand what
> arrived in france.indymedia (strike and rupture of
> the team,
> hope of a new team and disappointment
> in front of the not exist of this team).
> The site should be closed as fast as possible.
>
> Mathias
>
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>
> [Imc-europe] call to shutdown imc-france
> jb jbr at gmx.fr
> Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:48:26 +0200
>
>
> Hi everybody
>
> you all know that IMC France has been doing so so for
> some weeks. Some people
> wanted to start up a new team with some new projects
> but till now it has
> failed.
>
> As a consequence the site has not been moderated for
> some time now and
> many messages have been left on the newswire that most
> of us find racist and
> antisemitic. Moreover it is not updated, *nobody* took
> part of irc public
> meetings that where announced on the site,
> france at indymedia.org is non
> answering (mailbox full, recently), and the imc-france
> mailling list can be
> considered flatline.
>
> So we'd like to shut it down, at least for a while,
> the time we
> find other solutions. Some of us are definitely
> willing to keep on being active
> on Indymedia and have been discussing on what is
> possible to do from now on.
> But it will take some time and we don't want to see
> IMC France kept on being
> squatted by extreme-right groups and idiots.
>
> Thanks all
>
> jb, mathias, massalia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [Imc-europe] call to shutdown imc-france
> massalia massalia <massalia at gandabacha.com>
> Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:58:25 +0530
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think closing IMC France becomes more and more an
> emergency, regarding the latest messages posted:
>
> ex :
> http://france.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=16266
>
> translation of the caption : "Chirac""s main goal = to
> sell France to American female Jews
>
> As the person who wanted to relaunch France Indymedia
> these last months changed all the access codes and
> kept them for himself we don't have the possibility of
> hiding these crap messages. It is not possible either
> to ask him to do it as he hasn't answered any mail for
> weeks and isn't active any more on mailing lists.
>
> You all know the latest results in polls in France. We
> can't accept to see indymedia france squatted by
> racist and antisemite groups, especially now. We've
> all fought for years against fascism. We've been
> demonstrating for days and prepping actions. it makes
> me puke to help developped a website where only racial
> hate is called.
>
> thanks for your support
>
> massalia
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> [Imc-europe] we cannot shutdown imc-france now!
> jb jbr at gmx.fr
> Sat Apr 27 13:24:02 2002
>
>
> hi,
>
> good news. while nobody's replying at e-mails and the
> mailling list is dead,
> it looks like a new team has started working on
> constituting a new
> imc-fr collective.
>
> i've met one of them at the (nice:) antifa demo today
> and what he explained
> me looked pretty nice, and they'll have a meeting
> soon.
>
> so, chances are something nice will happen to imc.fr
>
> happy,
> jb
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> [Imc-europe] Call to quickly shutdown imc-france
> (Mathias)
> e212fr at yahoo.fr e212fr at yahoo.fr
> Wed May 1 14:10:03 2002
>
>
> Hello,
>
> There is regrettably no new team france.indymedia in
> construction, there is just an operation of the
> one who made explode the previous team to
> prevent the lock of the site that he use as visiting
> card.
>
> The problem in the previous team appeared
> because one of its members (Gilles Klein) abandoned
> the work with the team on the contents
> of the site and preferred to dedicate himself to the
> promotion of its name in the officials media (a
> small research on internet (Gilles Klein +
> indymedia) will show you the importance of this
> promotion).
>
> He gave numerous interviews, and participated in
> debates as self-proclaimed representative
> (founder / presenter / responsible) for France.
> Indymedia.
> He made this without warning the other members
> of the team, in a totally hidden way. The interviews
> given by the other members of the team were
> discussed in the team, those who answered used
> a pseudo or a first name (so that it is not there
> stardom) and they made  the promotion of the
> concept of indymedia or Indymedia sites.
>
> The progressive discovery (on the Web) of the
> interviews and actions of GK's promotion,
> provoked in front of its refusal to change attitude a
> progressive strike of the members of the team
> (Mathias, then Tatahari, then Massalia).
> I should as well clarify that GK always managed to
> take no risk, he never went on any summit. Is only
> participation was in Millau (with Massalia and me)
> where the French site was born. On one summit,
> he prevented us only 2 hours before the departure
> that contrary to what he had said, it did not come.
> And when we were in the demonstrations to work
> on the central column of the site, he gave
> interviews, hidden well in Paris. (I know, all this
> history look like a couple who divorces)
>
> The " news" equips Indymedia made by GK
> consists of 2 persons (Arno and Wilfrid) that we
> already seen crossing in our public meetings and
> which was pointed out by their weak contributions
> on Indymedia.
> This team (Gilles / Arno / Wilfrid) already has its
> declaration of principles (Gilles -->
> Http://france.indymedia.org/front.php3?Article_id=11707)
> and already take charge of the site for more
> than a month. The site was little updated and they
> allowed to pass numerous publications of fascist
> insults, some call to murder and now call to vote
> for Le Pen. With this "team", there is not chance
> that the site will be different from what it is at
> present .
>
> Untill now we were evasive on the internal problem
> (we spoke just about problem in the working
> distribution), you know now what was behind this
> chaste term. I clarify that we never have problem to
> work with our differences of political beliefs. But it
>
> appeared a personal problem with somebody who worked
> in our back on its personal stardom.
>
> Journalists met in the demonstrations in Paris
> begin to ask questions on the anti-semitic
> publications which stayed on the site. It is quickly
> necessary to close the French site before an article
> in Le Monde carries damage to all the Indymedia
> sites.
>
> Gilles was a friend since the student strikes of
> 1986, I trusted on him. I made a mistake, I am very
> disappointed. I did not intend to spread out all the
> internal problems, but having no technical
> possibility of closing the site, I can only recover it
> to
> you to close it quickly.
>
> Indeed to you
> Mathias
>
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