[New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)

Sun May 5 04:52:01 PDT 2002

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Young" <downitgoes at antisocial.com>
To: <bart at indymedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)

> 2 cents from geoffrey of the winnipeg one.
> voici mon opinion
> ici a canada on a un premier ministre qui est elu par le peur.
> je pense que c'est varaiment dommage que la site francais devrait fermer
> maintneant quand il y a plein de nouvelles anti-fasciste, anti-lepen
etc...
> qui est ytres important et interessant pour la reste du monde. J'espere
> qu'un autre centre european va faire le reportage du sittuation politique
> de la france.

http://belgium.indymedia.org :-)
half of our country speaks french.
Bart

> est ce que c'est possible de trouver des autres gens indymedia des
> differents pays qui parle francais et qui peut aider avec les postes
> racistes.
> ceci pose un question de, si un des candiats le plus conus est raciste,
> j'imagine que les points de vue qui sont raciste va aussi existe dans les
> populations alores ca va etre quelques choses qui va etre sur imc.
> Si c'est absolument necessaire, ABSOLUMENT necessaire que la site francais
> devrait fermer, c'est vraiment dommage.
> c'est aussi domage que le sittuatin avec lepen n'est pas raison pour les
> francais de re-grouper pour leur imc et de trouver un solution ou la site
> peut rester la pour informe la reste du monde au sujet de Le Pen(us)
> c'est l'heure quand il ya beaucoup des yeux sur la france et c'est des
> nouvelles que le network ne veut pas perdre.
>
> ok, so enough pof the broken french, here it is in english
> it is really to bad that the site must close particularly considering
> current french political climate which is becoming more and more of
> interest to the rest of the world. Here in Canada, we have a fear based
pm,
> and its the saddest thing in the world. almost worse than bush. when the
> guy that won the election doest have the support of the folks who voted
for
> him.
> Is it not possible to rally a small group from other french speaking
places
> that could help chip in on the clercking until the France collective finds
> a volunteer. That would help keep the site up and keep the LePen(is) news
> coming. Is this feasible?
> It is also too bad that the french imc folks does not find the treat of a
> fascist government reason enough to stick with it, if only until the end
of
> elections.
> If it is really, genuinely necessary to close the french site, then thats
> really too bad.
> its a time when lots eyes are watching france and im sure the network
> doesnt want o lose the news that would be coming our way over the next few
> days.
> geoffrey
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Original Message
> From: "Bart"<bart at indymedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)
> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:54:24 +0200
>
> >Hello / Bonjour,
> >
> >si tu veux fermer le site, c'est possible. Je pense quand les personnes
de
> >france veulent le fermer il ont le droit de faire ça.
> >En tout cas je pense que c'est mieux de replacer la page
> >france.indymedia.org avec une lettre pourquoi le site est ferme + une
appel
> >pour des groupes interessés de former des collectives qui peux travailler
> >sur un nouveau imc
> >En tout cas c'est pas le groupe new-imc qui peut décider. C'est un
décision
> >locale.
> >
> >If you want to close the site, I think you can do that. If no one is
> working
> >on france indymedia, the people who were involved can close it down.
> >I think it's better to replace the site by a letter why it's closed + an
> >appeal to people to form imc's accros france.
> >Anyway, it's not new-imc who should decide about this, it's a local
> >decision.
> >
> >Bart
> >sorry for the bad french.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "nath+mat" <e212fr at yahoo.fr>
> >To: <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
> >Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 2:07 AM
> >Subject: [New-imc] Call to shutdown imc-france (Mathias)
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I join to you the various mails of
> >> the members of france.indymedia team
> >> who will allow you to understand what
> >> arrived in france.indymedia (strike and rupture of
> >> the team,
> >> hope of a new team and disappointment
> >> in front of the not exist of this team).
> >> The site should be closed as fast as possible.
> >>
> >> Mathias
> >>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> [Imc-europe] call to shutdown imc-france
> >> jb jbr at gmx.fr
> >> Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:48:26 +0200
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi everybody
> >>
> >> you all know that IMC France has been doing so so for
> >> some weeks. Some people
> >> wanted to start up a new team with some new projects
> >> but till now it has
> >> failed.
> >>
> >> As a consequence the site has not been moderated for
> >> some time now and
> >> many messages have been left on the newswire that most
> >> of us find racist and
> >> antisemitic. Moreover it is not updated, *nobody* took
> >> part of irc public
> >> meetings that where announced on the site,
> >> france at indymedia.org is non
> >> answering (mailbox full, recently), and the imc-france
> >> mailling list can be
> >> considered flatline.
> >>
> >> So we'd like to shut it down, at least for a while,
> >> the time we
> >> find other solutions. Some of us are definitely
> >> willing to keep on being active
> >> on Indymedia and have been discussing on what is
> >> possible to do from now on.
> >> But it will take some time and we don't want to see
> >> IMC France kept on being
> >> squatted by extreme-right groups and idiots.
> >>
> >> Thanks all
> >>
> >> jb, mathias, massalia
> >>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> [Imc-europe] call to shutdown imc-france
> >> massalia massalia <massalia at gandabacha.com>
> >> Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:58:25 +0530
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I think closing IMC France becomes more and more an
> >> emergency, regarding the latest messages posted:
> >>
> >> ex :
> >> http://france.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=16266
> >>
> >> translation of the caption : "Chirac""s main goal = to
> >> sell France to American female Jews
> >>
> >> As the person who wanted to relaunch France Indymedia
> >> these last months changed all the access codes and
> >> kept them for himself we don't have the possibility of
> >> hiding these crap messages. It is not possible either
> >> to ask him to do it as he hasn't answered any mail for
> >> weeks and isn't active any more on mailing lists.
> >>
> >> You all know the latest results in polls in France. We
> >> can't accept to see indymedia france squatted by
> >> racist and antisemite groups, especially now. We've
> >> all fought for years against fascism. We've been
> >> demonstrating for days and prepping actions. it makes
> >> me puke to help developped a website where only racial
> >> hate is called.
> >>
> >> thanks for your support
> >>
> >> massalia
> >>
> >>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> [Imc-europe] we cannot shutdown imc-france now!
> >> jb jbr at gmx.fr
> >> Sat Apr 27 13:24:02 2002
> >>
> >>
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> good news. while nobody's replying at e-mails and the
> >> mailling list is dead,
> >> it looks like a new team has started working on
> >> constituting a new
> >> imc-fr collective.
> >>
> >> i've met one of them at the (nice:) antifa demo today
> >> and what he explained
> >> me looked pretty nice, and they'll have a meeting
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> so, chances are something nice will happen to imc.fr
> >>
> >> happy,
> >> jb
> >>
> >>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> [Imc-europe] Call to quickly shutdown imc-france
> >> (Mathias)
> >> e212fr at yahoo.fr e212fr at yahoo.fr
> >> Wed May 1 14:10:03 2002
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> There is regrettably no new team france.indymedia in
> >> construction, there is just an operation of the
> >> one who made explode the previous team to
> >> prevent the lock of the site that he use as visiting
> >> card.
> >>
> >> The problem in the previous team appeared
> >> because one of its members (Gilles Klein) abandoned
> >> the work with the team on the contents
> >> of the site and preferred to dedicate himself to the
> >> promotion of its name in the officials media (a
> >> small research on internet (Gilles Klein +
> >> indymedia) will show you the importance of this
> >> promotion).
> >>
> >> He gave numerous interviews, and participated in
> >> debates as self-proclaimed representative
> >> (founder / presenter / responsible) for France.
> >> Indymedia.
> >> He made this without warning the other members
> >> of the team, in a totally hidden way. The interviews
> >> given by the other members of the team were
> >> discussed in the team, those who answered used
> >> a pseudo or a first name (so that it is not there
> >> stardom) and they made  the promotion of the
> >> concept of indymedia or Indymedia sites.
> >>
> >> The progressive discovery (on the Web) of the
> >> interviews and actions of GK's promotion,
> >> provoked in front of its refusal to change attitude a
> >> progressive strike of the members of the team
> >> (Mathias, then Tatahari, then Massalia).
> >> I should as well clarify that GK always managed to
> >> take no risk, he never went on any summit. Is only
> >> participation was in Millau (with Massalia and me)
> >> where the French site was born. On one summit,
> >> he prevented us only 2 hours before the departure
> >> that contrary to what he had said, it did not come.
> >> And when we were in the demonstrations to work
> >> on the central column of the site, he gave
> >> interviews, hidden well in Paris. (I know, all this
> >> history look like a couple who divorces)
> >>
> >> The " news" equips Indymedia made by GK
> >> consists of 2 persons (Arno and Wilfrid) that we
> >> already seen crossing in our public meetings and
> >> which was pointed out by their weak contributions
> >> on Indymedia.
> >> This team (Gilles / Arno / Wilfrid) already has its
> >> declaration of principles (Gilles -->
> >> Http://france.indymedia.org/front.php3?Article_id=11707)
> >> and already take charge of the site for more
> >> than a month. The site was little updated and they
> >> allowed to pass numerous publications of fascist
> >> insults, some call to murder and now call to vote
> >> for Le Pen. With this "team", there is not chance
> >> that the site will be different from what it is at
> >> present .
> >>
> >> Untill now we were evasive on the internal problem
> >> (we spoke just about problem in the working
> >> distribution), you know now what was behind this
> >> chaste term. I clarify that we never have problem to
> >> work with our differences of political beliefs. But it
> >>
> >> appeared a personal problem with somebody who worked
> >> in our back on its personal stardom.
> >>
> >> Journalists met in the demonstrations in Paris
> >> begin to ask questions on the anti-semitic
> >> publications which stayed on the site. It is quickly
> >> necessary to close the French site before an article
> >> in Le Monde carries damage to all the Indymedia
> >> sites.
> >>
> >> Gilles was a friend since the student strikes of
> >> 1986, I trusted on him. I made a mistake, I am very
> >> disappointed. I did not intend to spread out all the
> >> internal problems, but having no technical
> >> possibility of closing the site, I can only recover it
> >> to
> >> you to close it quickly.
> >>
> >> Indeed to you
> >> Mathias
> >>
> >> ------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
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