[New-imc] Re: jakarta

[praccus]

Ahh dear, didn't want to walk into this one again but as I'm one of
the ppl who originally tralked to Meggy etc and set up the site on the
pod server, it's starting to give me the shits...it's been a year or
more...


>  But if the web site is a big part of the project, then it surely makes
>  sense to have at least a few people with email who can participate in
>  a publicly archived, open posting, mailing list for the IMC itself,
>  as well as explore the other mailing lists at

yeah it does, in theory, but what do u do when forced with the
actuality that even if you make it a rule that people must
participate on global lists etc, they won't because they cannot do so
with such ease... we are forced to consider what the options are I
think, outside of the ones that have taken so long to build...

like seeing if there are people you trust who have direct contact with
the group in question..


>  http://lists.indymedia.org/
>   
>   > I will also inquire to see if they have read the IndyMedia
> documentation you 
> > refer to. Is there a test they have to do after wards? (just joking
> - or maybe 
> > i am not)
> 
> Technology alone cannot make an IMC, IMHO, and when access to the
> technology
> is very expensive, it becomes even more obvious that technology alone
> cannot make an IMC.
> 
> The stuff in the documentation is probably more about the people side
> than the tech side. As several people have said on new-imc, among the
> IMCs that started up before this documentation was discussed, debated,
> heatedly argued about, etc., and finally contingently consensed upon,
> leading to the creation of the new-imc working group, several of these
> early IMCs have wasted energy into power struggles or personal
> conflicts or collapsed by burnout.
> 
> > It's a shame we can't regionalise this process!! 
> 

> Well, i think melbourne started up before the new-imc process &
> working group, and it's going fine (AFAIK), so if you folks and the
> sydney/adelaide/aotearoa/brisbane/madurai groups could create a
> regionalised working group, with an archived, public, open-posting
> mailing list, and convince others that you had an effective process, i
> don't see new-imc stopping you.

oh god, as if this hasn't already happened, and there was anything
new-imc could do about it anyway...playing God, I'd rather play with a
Satan swing

http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imc-australasia

fuck post-modern thought gives me the shits sometimes..


> Or if you could provide some people-power to do the thinking/writing/
> rewriting/rewriting-again work of improving the documents at
> 
> http://newimc.indymedia.org

or recognise that not everyone will work with a list of rules that
involve documents etc etc, and participating in lists...

Again I hark to the people power of those who know each otehr and work
on a level of trust...would new-imc trust Sam or me or Andy etc etc if
we said that Jakarta has a good crew who do things in a way that fits
with what Indymedia is, the motivations and imagination that brought
it into being etc..


s'cuse the dervish dribble, I prefer dancing over politics..


> so that they're simpler, clearer, less bureaucratic ;), i think people
> at new-imc would happy for the help.
> 
> > Thanks Bound for your response and clarification. It does make it
> clear what 
> > one has to do. 
> 
> As i said, i can email the following membership criteria doc to you if
> you have web access problems, and it *is* in bahasa Indonesia (sedikit
> gado-gado, tapi harap tidak terlalu ;)

not too much spicy satay?

praccus

** hello awesome peoples, I mean it, dont mind the dirge..