[New-imc] Agua / thematic IMCs

[red kitten]

I think thematic website like AquaIMC isn't such a good idea:
one of the main goal of indymedia is to empower common people so they can 
produce their own news. Therefore, there's a need of collectives to 
promote, explain, organize trainning and provide facilities. That's why 
(according to me) we need local collectives, organized around local website.
The problem with 'themas' websites is that they may become quite "internet 
website" for "internet ppl." It makes it difficult to organize common ppl., 
but internet activists or collectives which are acting around that thema.
I'm affraid thema's website would be difficult to run, but i guess we 
should hear from 'Climate' on this issue. At the moment, this site looks 
really quite (see bellow)
Did those proposing Aqua IMC got in touch with the Climate IMC ?
I don't think we should exclude the idea of building such IMCs, but that it 
doesn't seem to me that it is what we need right now...
chEErz
/// r e d . k i t t e n ///
** Climate IMC's newswire:
apparently, less than 30 entries from 15 nov 2001 till 24 april 2002 **

Radio interview about Climate Change by Risingtide Nepal 24 April 02. 0 
comment.
Global Climate Change and the Challenges of Stewardship 17 April 02. 0 comment.
Generator X Wonky Weather Tour 17 April 02. 0 comment.
Blue alternative for Blue planet 03 April 02. 0 comment.
Climate change activism position: risingtide international co-ordinator 25 
March 02. 0 comment.
LAUNCH OF DIRECTORY OF CLIMATE DENIERS 22 March 02. 0 comment.
US: Call Environmental Protection Agency 21 March 02. 0 comment.
Viridian Note 00302: The Larsen B Ice Shelf 21 March 02. 1 comment.
Iceberg From Antarctica 19 March 02. 0 comment.
Protest against german atomic forum 13 March 02. 0 comment.
Goodbye Cruel World 10 March 02. 0 comment.
EMISSIONS TRADING CONFERENCE DISRUPTED 07 March 02. 1 comment.
Australia - US Climate Deal 07 March 02. 0 comment.
poke in the eye for energy 27 February 02. 0 comment.
U.S. Trying to Slow Down Global Warming? 27 February 02. 0 comment.
action report on carbon trading disturbance 19 February 02. 0 comment.
Inside report on carbon trading conference 19 February 02. 0 comment.
activists still held 19 February 02. 0 comment.
Climate Destabilization Dramatic Epic 15 February 02. 2 comments.
Police try to criminalise legal protest 16 January 02. 0 comment.
Ideas on Global warming 24 December 01. 0 comment.
Endorsement 18 December 01. 0 comment.
Global Warming : Earth Can Explode !!! 11 December 01. 5 comments.
Background Science on Global Warming from Union of 11 December 01. 1 comment.
The Bottom Line for EU Kyoto Compliance ? 11 December 01. 0 comment.
Sinks Watch and CDM Watch 02 December 01. 0 comment.
A new way to measure climate destabilization? 26 November 01. 3 comments.
Was it a fair COP in Marrakech? - analysis 22 November 01. 1 comment.
RISING SEA LEVEL FORCING EVACUATION OF ISLAND 19 November 01. 2 comments.
Video report of action Nov 6 in Amsterdam 15 November 01. 0 comment.

** Climate IMC is presented a bit like a coalition website: **

Dates The Climate IMC started in May 2000, to prepare for COP6 in Den Haag 
(13 - 24 November 2000). Now we're working on COP6,5 in Bonn (16 - 27 July 
2001).

Organizations most involved
Engage! Tactical Media - www.engage.nu
Rising Tide Coalition for Climate Justice - Germany www.risingtide.de
Rising Tide Coalition for Climate Justice - Netherlands www.risingtide.nl 
Independent Media Center - www.indymedia.org
Various dutch NGO's.
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At 19:19 15-05-02 +0100, Tony wrote:
Hello all

I didn't send a mail about this before as i saw others saying the same 
thing but as it has moved on to a new level i will add a few words...

I am against the idea of single issue imc's as i think they are much better 
served as a separate site - i feel what would be useful to single issues is 
the active software or other simular ones - where people can comment and 
add their stories on issues...

Although i like the idea of having an Aqua site that links all the global 
water issues - other more specific single issues may cause us (as 
'indymedia) problems later on - do we than move into political themes (imc 
anarchy) etc. I prefer that we have local situated sites that report on all 
issues that their area feels is important - if imc france decides water is 
really important than there is no reason why they do not concentrate on 
that issue more than others - that would be their choice - like others pick 
up gentrification or war.

I think the idea of feature syndication is great - and sections like on the 
German site are also handy (although i think that is only available with 
their software at the moment) work well - but need maintaining!

I don't want to put a downer on the enthusiasm of the people proposing this 
Aqua site but feel it may be better that imc helps them set up as a 
separate project.

cheers tony
(one of imc uk)

Hey Everyone,

*** summary ***
We should have a discussion on issue/topic based imc's first.

*** mail ****
I personally think we should have a discussion about whether we want
issue/topic based imc's or not.
Around the climate imc there were a lot of debates and they mostly only got
approved because they were active before new-imc started.

Personally I like our model of local groups working around an imc in their
city/region/... I think having issue based imc's will take away focus on
those local imc's. Instead of having issue based imc's we could better work
out a topical syndication like we now do a feature-syndication on the global
newswire.

So I propose we activally discuss issue/topic based imc's on imc-process or
new-imc first before we move on with the aqua project.

Bart



----- Original Message -----
From: "massalia" <massalia at gandabacha.com>
To: "dricavel" <dricavel at terra.com.br>
Cc: "new-imc" <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>; "imc-process"
<imc-process at lists.indymedia.org>; <jeanphi at altern.org>; <eau at altern.org>;
<acqua at altern.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [New-imc] Re: moving on with aqua imc


great!

I'm taking some time off for two weeks. So either Oli or JB will write
this letter and send it out on the network or we'll collectively write it at
the end of the month.

talk to you soon

massalia

dricavel wrote:
 > Hi everybody,
 > The first proposal to start an imc watter, acqua or eau;
 > http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-
 > April/003378.html
 > caused a lot of disccussion in the new imc wg until the idea was
 > better explained by Massalia from IMC France in this letter:
 > http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003438.html
 > I replied making some suggestions on how to proceed;
 > http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003443.html
 > Boud made some suggestions regarding the problems with IMC France and
 > Massalia replied both messages on:
 > http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003464.html
 >
 > PLEASE NOTE; this is ONLY about a watter/acqua imc, even though the
 > request was made by someone from IMC France, i guess it´s clear that
 > they are two different things, therefore we´re dealing with two
 > different subjects.
 >
 > Hearing no objections from the old floks in new imc wg, and taking
 > into account that the request for a watter imc should be made again,
 > after working through a transparent and different process, i´m moving
 > on with the suggestion on how to proceed with the proposal of a
 > watter/acqua imc. I would like to highlight that this is opened for
 > > suggestions since it´s a different process. The proposal is:
 > 1-set up a mailing list - look at http://newlist.indymedia.org
 > 2- send a letter to all imcs (throught imc-proposals) inviting anyone
 > interested in joining the group to subscribe to the list where there
 > will be;
 > 3.1- on line discussion to explain how the aqua.indymedia.org could
 > work (tech issues and administration),
 > 3.2 - a collective ellaboration of the documents requested by new imc
 > wg, an introductory letter from some of the liasons of the group,
 > plus a letter explaining how would be the participation of the
 > different groups/indivuduals from existing or non existing imcs.
 > 3 - another request to new imc wg.
 >
 > So Massalia, i suggest you move foward with the request of a mailing
 > list and start to work out with the draft project to be translated in
 > some languages (at least spanish) and sent to all imcs.
 > Peace,
 > dri
 >




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