[New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (IMC London)

[Richard Malter]

[detailed discussion of actual points in these disagreements I confine to uk-
process]

Tue Oct 8 07:55:04 2002, blue.pi at my-mail.ch wrote to new-imc:
>[] So I think it would
>be a good idea to explain what is going on, []
>how does this relate to the conflict etc. []

This is a very condensed summary that I wrote in reply to a point on uk-process 
that came up, that I think explains underlyingly in part what is going on. 
(Though there are other issues too.)

"The explanation, is that face to face meetings are not enough to achieve 
accountability (visibility of interdependency) if you are a group within/part 
of a larger organization that communicates over the internet. Because in that 
case *you are not yet actually part of the interdependent organization*! That 
is why your idea of your group's inclusivity does not work, and has caused 
these problems. "
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-uk-process/2002-
October/000862.html
 

Quoting andi <andi at syndicate.org.uk>:
> [] I'm sad but not surprised that there immediately arrives a '100%
> objection' from the two members of the LWG for any application for an
> IMC-London - on the UK process list everybody can find the long history
> of this London conflict documented []

As said, we object to _this_ application, for the reasons we have given here 
and in greater detail on imc-uk-process; but we are for a London-Imc. Lets not 
make this an 'either/or' situation - that is competitive thinking mode. 
Lets do the application together.

Toni has made a tangible proposal for working together for an Imc-London:
"
   -------------------------------------------------------------
  | let's do the application for imc-london together, including |
  | openning up of the process to others [. . .]      who have  |
  | been excluded so far.                                       |
   -------------------------------------------------------------

this should include an letter(email) of invitation to not only imc-uk
email lists, but to all the independent media makers, and other
potentialy interested, who reside in london in any way
(permanent/nomadic). "
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-uk-process/2002-
October/000860.html

Lets go forward with this(?)

Richard
Lwg/ Imc UK