[New-imc] Re: [Imc-uk-process] blocking proposals

[blue pi]

I do too think that micmatics and my approach have the same
consequences (and by the way: surprisingly I agree with micmatics
description of consensus almost 100%, can't remember when that
happend before :))

Why I brought up the idea that only people who work in collectives
should be able to block: As I mentioned before it may sometimes be
very difficult to see if some one is continously objecting or if his
intention is acctually to block. This is particularly so on
mailinglists, because people have a lot of time to think about what
they are writing.

I think if you work in a collective you don't only have the
possibility to discuss your opinion with likewise thinking people,
but you also have people who might notice when you are starting to
block something and can tell you to stop. I think there are many more
positive mechanisms at work in collectives. Where it comes to in the
end is, that I believe people who work continously in a collective
are less likely to actually block something.

blue

---- Original Message ----
Von: penasana at yahoo.es
An: micmatic at gmx.net, blue.pi at my-mail.ch
Betreff: Re: [Imc-uk-process] blocking proposals
Datum: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:25:30 +0200 (CEST)

>HI,
>
>sorry for responding to all, as I don't know who is in
>which list.
>
>actually these two emails are not contradictory, you
>are not actually objecting to the ideas, micmatic 
>
>I'll try to explain myself.
>
>> A "block" can never actually be done by a single
>> person or group. 
>
>Well, this is what has been actually happening in the
>UK in the last ... 2 years. Richard blocking -on his
>own- so many proposals, mostly agreed on a meeting
>after long and arduous discussion. Then published on
>minutes and then, on e-mail, him blocking it. When he
>formed lwg with Toni the blocks started to come from
>both of them - like this of a new IMC.
>
>And this is the 'narrow' perception of block that you
>reject, that has been exercise by these two people -
>block not as a concerns raising, but as stopping a
>group from doing things.
>
>And this kind of action is what blue pi is trying to
>propose to stop - i may be wrong but this is my
>perception of those two e-mails, which i got through
>the uk-process list.
>
>Thanks all global people for your attention on this
>issue.
>
>ana - uk.
>
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