[New-imc] Re: Online form: Proposed new IMC! (DNC IMC)

crisxyz crisxyz at libertad.ucsd.edu
Tue Jan 13 08:15:33 PST 2004 

Hi

i think that the proposed idea is very good,but i have a question, if
a convergence.indymedia.org or something similar, starts, will it give
url for foreign convergences?

i asked this because chile will host the APEC 2004's reunions.


cris
imc-chile
imc-santiago

love and freedom.

El mar, 13 de ene de 2004, a las 02:28:25 +0800, Shayne O'Neill dijo:
> 
> Just as an idea,
> 
> what if we had something like;-
> 
> convergence.indymedia.org
> or
> conference.indymedia.org
> 
> and these dudes have a url of the structure
> 
> covergance.indymedia.org/dnc
> 
> or
> 
> convergance.indymedia.org/miama
> 
> from there we can either set up a single unified imc site that has
> 'sub' imc's in the sense that uk indy does with subregional imc's or
> individual imc's with the main convergence site having syndication of the
> sub imc's and/or selected features/summaries. from it.
> 
> 
> This has the advantage of also keeping a good history of the 'movement'
> (yay I sound like ms klein!!!! THE MOVEMENT! THE MOVMENT!) in once place
> for easy access and study by historians and researchers.
> 
> Just an idea.
> 
> ------------------------------------
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> -Aesop.
> Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> 
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Forrest English wrote:
> 
> > This could also be used for other types of convergences in a country
> > where indymedia coverage will be, but there either is...
> >
> > 1. not a local IMC
> > 2. the local IMC would like it to be seperate from their existing
> > infastructure
> > 3. not enough interest for a full blown topic IMC (I know many are still
> > torn some way on issue/topic IMCs)
> >
> > On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 13:21, Mike R wrote:
> > > Hi Bht,
> > >
> > > dnc.us.indymedia.org sounds much better than dnc.boston.indy.
> > > elections.us.indy or president.us.indy could also be the home to dnc,
> > > rnc, and other us election coverage sites.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:47:51 PM, Bht said:
> > >
> > > B> Hi there.  I just want to point out a few things.
> > >
> > > B> Recently us.indymedia.org became a website and recognized and all that.
> > > B> There has been talk somewhere of using that resource for coverage of the
> > > B> political conventions and the election and all that which is happening in
> > > B> america.
> > >
> > > B> This does not discredit wanting to have an IMC specific to DNC.  However,
> > > B> i support clara's block in the url department.  dnc.indy is so event
> > > B> specific it would be much better suited to boston or us imc.
> > >
> > > B> I think that a static webpage would be fine for providing resources
> > > B> (housing and transportation and the like), rncnotwelcome.org is a good
> > > B> example of that.
> > >
> > > B> And lastly, Robert, you said that you sponsored DNC IMC.  It was recently
> > > B> decided (I am 99% sure) that you cannot sponsor an IMC through process
> > > B> that you work with.  That is a conflict of interest.
> > >
> > > B> bht (portland IMC)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >> All good points, Ganesh.
> > > >>
> > > >> The DNC IMC website was being created with solidarity of regional and
> > > >> national groups in mind, who are getting into the streets of Boston
> > > >> regardless of what Boston IMC does.  Action against the DNC, in whatever
> > > >> form, is going to happen whether IMC gets involved or not.  So why not get
> > > >> involved?  Therefore, the main focus of the site was to relate to these
> > > >> groups in three distinct ways:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1 - to provide resources into housing, maps, transportation, eateries,
> > > >> etc. for those coming into the city and unfamiliar with the area, and
> > > >>
> > > >> 2 - to fill our usual role as a grassroots media outlet covering the
> > > >> actions of these groups, making sure the overall message of the whys,
> > > >> wheres, and hows of a constructive protest is relayed to the public.
> > > >>
> > > >> 3 - detail background information on the convention, the party, current
> > > >> issues, and current Democratic presidential candidates to better inform
> > > >> our readers about such matters, that they may apply this information to
> > > >> their own views and actions
> > > >>
> > > >> Not to mention it would have complimented the similar actions happening
> > > >> around the Republican National Convention in New York later this summer.
> > > >> So, you're right in saying this website was 'US-focused,' but rest assured
> > > >> the IMC isn't specifically turning a critical eye against the Democrats
> > > >> alone for any reason.
> > > >>
> > > >> For the most part, DNC IMC *is* Boston IMC.  Our two biggest reasons in
> > > >> wanting to create a separate website for the event were to have all the
> > > >> components of a usual IMC (newswire, calendar, features, etc.) dedicated
> > > >> to DNC-related posts and not lumped in with everyday posts the Boston IMC
> > > >> receives on our website.  Also, the dadaIMC codebase doesn't appreciate
> > > >> being a subdirectory within an installation; i.e.,
> > > >> http://boston.indymedia.org/dnc/ wasn't quite working.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, I think a topic IMC based on the upcoming presidential election is
> > > >> an *EXCELLENT* idea.  I can't stress that enough.  One could fill an
> > > >> entire website simply covering electronic voting and how much of a farce
> > > >> that's turning out to be.  I would definitely urge someone to step forward
> > > >> and sponsor such a website.  I know I would love to get involved with
> > > >> that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just be careful what name domain name one asks for.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hopefully this helps clarify our reasonings.  Best regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Robert
> > > >> Boston Independent Media Center
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Montgomery Cheddar said:
> > > >>> An IMC covering the annual general meeting of a particular political
> > > >>> party
> > > >>> seems odd to me. Why the Democrats in particular? It could be seen as
> > > >>> promoting a party political agenda. Moreover, it seems US-focussed,
> > > >>> rather
> > > >>> than topical. As someone outside the US, I would rather see IMC coverage
> > > >>> of the US Presidential election and perhaps this would be a better use
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> resources. Also, would it not be better if Boston IMC run its own
> > > >>> coverage
> > > >>> on the Democratic National Convention?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ganesh
> > > >>> (India IMCvadi)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> clara <clara at ifrik.org> wrote:
> > > >>> okay,
> > > >>> just be quick and clear, even though I think there were numerous
> > > >>> concerns
> > > >>> raised on this list as immediate replies:
> > > >>> I'm blocking such a url.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I send a longer mail later today
> > > >>>
> > > >>> clara
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> At 16:14 12-1-2004, Robert wrote:
> > > >>>>Hey all,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Wondering if I might strike up the discussion on my application again.
> > > >>>> My
> > > >>>>apologies for pushing this along, but Boston desperately needs to get
> > > >>>> this
> > > >>>>underway.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>The feeling in Boston, with respects to the suggestions made on this
> > > >>>>application regarding the DNS (e.g.,
> > > >>>> democraticparty.topic.indymedia.org,
> > > >>>>dnc.topicimc.org, etc.), is that we would still like to pursue
> > > >>>>dnc.indymedia.org as the official URL for coverage of the Democratic
> > > >>>>National Convention in July.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>I feel that the discussion arising from this applicaton, as I'm sure
> > > >>>> it's
> > > >>>>sprang up from previous requests for issue-based IMCs, is an important
> > > >>>>one. We should indeed amend our existing process for the creating for
> > > >>>> all
> > > >>>>IMCs with a uniform URL for topic based websites. However, until that
> > > >>>>decision is finalized, we should not allow process to impede progress
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>current applications. The need for this website is long since due in
> > > >>>>Boston, and judging by the respectful yet lengthy debate on how to
> > > >>>> handle
> > > >>>>topic IMC URLs following my applicaton, we cannot wait for this approval
> > > >>>>to come before creating our DNC website.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>It's been two weeks since I applied for dnc.indymedia.org. If I've read
> > > >>>>the new imc website correctly, should no one block on new imc for three
> > > >>>>days, the discussion move to imc process for one week, and approval be
> > > >>>> met
> > > >>>>should no one block there within a week's time. I hesitated a reminder
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>>this application because of the discussion, wanting to make sure
> > > >>>> everyone
> > > >>>>was heard (and, yeah, because of the holidays). Given the extension and
> > > >>>>no official block, I ask that this now move to IMC-process for review.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>The original application is included again below for easier reference.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Also, on another note, a little while back there was question into
> > > >>>>sponsors for all open applications; just to clarify for DNC, I am the
> > > >>>>sponsor for this website, acting as liason for the Boston IMC.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Thanks so much,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Robert
> > > >>>>Boston Independent Media Center
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Submitted by: Robert on Sunday, December 28th, 2003 @
> > > >>>>1:04:22 am (-0500)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Client Variables
> > > >>>>----------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>HTTP_USER_AGENT:
> > > >>>>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MyIE2; .NET CLR
> > > >>>> 1.1.4322)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Online Form Fields
> > > >>>>------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>imc_name:
> > > >>>>dnc.indymedia
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>city:
> > > >>>>Boston
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>state:
> > > >>>>MA
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>country:
> > > >>>>United States
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>contact_name:
> > > >>>>Robert
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>contact_email:
> > > >>>>robert at riseup.net
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>contact_phone:
> > > >>>>781-454-7825
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>tech_name:
> > > >>>>Robert
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>tech_email:
> > > >>>>robert at riseup.net
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>tech_phone:
> > > >>>>781-454-7825
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>supporting_groups:
> > > >>>>Boston IMC
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>issue_focus:
> > > >>>>yes
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>critical_dates:
> > > >>>>July 26-29th (DNC event)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>resources:
> > > >>>>Boston Indymedia is already in preparation to assist organizing and to
> > > >>>>cover the Democratic National Convention, held in Boston this July.
> > > >>>>Several of the mailing lists for organizing working groups have been
> > > >>>>formed, and we\'ve confirmed hosting space of the Buffalo IMC server,
> > > >>>>Dissent, which currently hosts the Boston IMC website as well as many
> > > >>>>other IMC websites in New England and the nation.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>outreach:
> > > >>>>In addition to already working as an IMC collective to prepare for this
> > > >>>>event, members of the Boston team have attended meetings of other
> > > >>>> affinity
> > > >>>>groups in the area. Individuals from our community and activists from
> > > >>>>around the nation having inquired about information about this event, as
> > > >>>>well as contact for other local groups, housing, transportation, etc.
> > > >>>>This in mind, we will dedicate a large portion of the website will focus
> > > >>>>on the efforts of local groups converging against the DNC.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>introductory_statement:
> > > >>>>Originally intended placing a focus on the DNC within our existing
> > > >>>>website, the Boston IMC tech team considered it would be both better
> > > >>>>managed and better archived to create a separate website that could be
> > > >>>>used in the future for other local IMCs to plan protests against in
> > > >>>> future
> > > >>>>conventions, wherever they should take place.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
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