[axxs-sysadmin] [Fwd: NetAxxs contact form]

[dave at netaxxs.com.au]

Quoting mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com>:

> What threats?

Your thinly veiled ones, which may have worked so far on Indymedia  
lists, but when you approach a workers collective, that's a business  
in Australia, you have to be damn careful what you say when you are  
threatening peoples jobs and livelyhood by your words, published on  
websites, and on public mailing lists across the internet.

> You hosted people you knew were liars responsible for this mess.You   
> still host their obviously defunct site.

Axxs.org hosted arafura, as we have hosted all Indymedias that ask,  
there's no criteria, nor do we even ask for a contact. It takes 5 mins  
to setup a site space on the server, then nothing more is thought of it.

BTW axxs.org is not our workers collective, it's a seperate project  
and collective in itself. You are threatening in your posts via our  
contact form to all our staff.

Your threatening quite a few people here Mick, and this is pretty damn  
serious your public allegations about us.

Please stop as it is already causing us loss of business, as we have  
pointed out to you, and you have chosen to continue to up the ante on  
your attacks.

> You hosted race/hate campaigns against our collective on NZ indymedia.

Axxs.org hosts Indymedia sites, yes, our collective doesn't. We are  
not liable for the content hosted on Axxs.org, indeed on the sites  
themselves they say they are not responsible for posts by anonymous  
users.

Prove your public statements that these are campaigns Mick, and that  
we are knowingly funding them, and hosting them, and be careful of  
your wording if I was you.

> You then "threatened" strikers and acted on those threats. Despite   
> knowing of the ugly and POU-breaching use of your axxs hosted sites.  
>  Why would we obey someone who calls me a "knobhead?" - and tries to  
>  bully us into submission?

There was no threats, there was an explanation of what options there  
was. Axxs.org asked you to change the titles of posts to not include  
peoples names, as with all Indymedias on the server, or to find  
alternate hosting. You were offered transparent move with no downtime  
even after you refused to move.

You chose to then forcibly remain on the services, you chose to extend  
your strike in Indymedia to be a sit-in on our service, forcing us to  
work for you.

You made no effort to move, and started a huge amount of public posts  
like this one, claiming we are supporting race hate campaigns.

> What I find incredibly pathetic  - is how the imc could not answer a  
>  reasonable request they were bound to answer according to OUR POU   
> and whatever ethical base your org claims to work by.

We are not Indymedia Mick, for the upteenth time. We are workers that  
are actively working toward forming an Australian branch of a union of  
computer and communications workers revolving around non-hierarchical  
organising through our workers collective here in Wang, if you didn't  
know. Axxs.org is just one part of it.

> The IMC treated you with the absolute contempt with which they have   
> treated us, ignoring your request to answer our question. They   
> abused your right to a simple explanation - as well as ours.

Who is Indymedia Mick? heaps of autonomous collectives. No one's  
answering, because anyone that says anything, you wage a war of  
posting attrition against them that never ends. I have plenty of  
emails from people saying just that, and telling me that the only way  
to keep out of your firing line is just not to get involved. I have  
said this in past posts.

Your methodologies are very clear, they work, are very effective. They  
use force as their catalyst. The Indymedia network is not well formed  
enough to withstand such an extreme attack at the network level.  
Rather than strengthen that, your chosing to take that weakness and  
exploit it. Again, this is pretty much common knowledge from the  
people that have sent me emails, from all around the world on this.

> Please do not insult our intelligence further by attempting to   
> justify your lack of ethics in attacking strikers and your   
> grovelling to an IMC that simply ignored you.

I'm not grovelling to anyone, I didn't attack strikers, we asked you  
to move hosting because of your methodology over posts which we do not  
support, or to simple change them.

You made the choice against changing them, thus your option was to  
find alternate hosting.

> Thanks to you - hundreds of human rights articles are down

No, because you refused to look for alternate hosting with over 2  
weeks notice that we could not morally support your methodology. You  
have chosen to force that upon us. coercion.

> and the  only site representing this region is run by (proven) liars  
> who  stalked, threatened and assaulted us - AT OUR HOMES. Admitted.

No, your blaming our workers collective in this email to us. The fact  
your site is down is that there's no one to maintain it. Who do we  
force to do it Mick?

You have made claims against our workers collective, which have no  
power over axxs.org decisions, and we are taking those claims very  
seriously. that's not a threat, that's a statement. Just look at your  
actions to date. we are not mucking around when we say we are taking  
them seriously.

> You have condoned this ugly intimidatory behaviour and the abuse of   
> our rights by your actions.

No don't just say it Mick, these are very heavy claims, and we are not  
Indymedia.

We will protect ourselves. Axxs.org's action was to ask you to find  
alternate hosting if you could not keep your posts within the moral  
grounds of the people running the server. You chose not us, it was  
your inaction that has led to the site being backed up and ready for  
your new host.

Prove these claims you are making publicly about our business  
condoning race hate campaigns Mick.

> Your only option was to demand an answer from the imc once the   
> deadline was broken. A simple request from an afilliated imc (and   
> axxs) they ignored to further breach our rights.

Who is Indymedia? Lots of collectives just likes yours. When I asked  
you, REPETITIVELY, you refused outright to answer as to who you were  
asking for your domain back from. I asked nearly every single email to  
you, with no reply to most of all my questions on that and other  
things. I have had to do basically everything myself in my attempt to  
support you.

And this is what your doing in return.

> axxs are finished as a 'progressive' network.

That's a threat Mick, against quite a few workers across quite a few  
collectives, and also ones not in them, you can claim it's not, but I  
have advice that it clearly is.

> No-one tolerates  strikebreakers. You reckon I'm "crazy".

It was a term of reference and you have taken it out of context. I  
think you must be crazy to be doing what you are doing here. I am not  
saying or think you are mentally ill dude, if that's what you mean

> Your further "threats" are laughable. Are you implying more images   
> of my dead mate and battered women are to be hosted on axxs to harm   
> innocent people?

Of course not, it was made a condition of hosting that Indymedia's  
move to take down all these posts on our server from anonymous people  
as soon as they were discovered by anyone. And the Indymedia's are  
complying. As I said in my original posts, you were the first as you  
had prominent articles on the front page with them there, other  
Indymedia's on the server are actively taking down all posts even to  
do with you from there sites. You just blatantly refuse to accept that  
we have moral grounds, and are trying to force us to go against our  
morals and support your methodology.

It's not threats Mick, you are posting to public lists with some  
pretty hefty claims. You will probably be called on again by others to  
prove them shortly.

Above you are claiming that we hosted images to harm innocent people,  
and may post more to do so again.

> The "karma" is all your own doing.

What's this Karma Mick you are telling us that we are going to suffer?

I would like to also know, if these statements are your own, or the  
collective statements of DIMC and it's members.

Are your statements here supported by all in your collective Mick?

Dave