[axxs-sysadmin] [Fwd: NetAxxs contact form]

[dave at netaxxs.com.au]

Again I ask, do all members of Darwin IMC fully support the public  
statements by Mick Lambe regarding both axxs.org and our workers  
collective?

As with all posts by anonymous users, could you please provide URL's  
so that Indymedia's can be given notice regarding their take-down, to  
which they have been complying, and as we have made public statements  
from our first post, will not be tolerated on the axxs.org service.

thankyou for your time,

Dave


Quoting mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com>:

> to the Oz-imc running-dog-lackey
>
> I told you I found your threats 'laughable'. You continue to amuse.
>
> strike breakers have no moral highground
>
> but sure - go ahead - sue me - take away my mansion and my yachts
>
>
>
> All I know is that axxs servers host images of my dead mate and   
> battered women - all Aboriginal to insult, harm and distress our   
> people.
>
> They also host stuff such as "Mick is a c-nt" (abridged version) and  
>  a host of lies about my work.
>
> Altered versions of my work sans links and my name are also hosted   
> on your servers. My complaints are ignored.
>
> It happened again on the axxs hosted NZ indymedia site yesterday. A   
> battered woman - and hateful accusations. Personal stuff.
>
> Hurtful stuff.
>
> All these comments/articles are still accessible on the WWW.
>
> So you host these hate/race articles and you took down our site   
> which was exposing that fact.
>
> And you tell me to be 'damn careful with my words'
>
> Your hypocrisy and personal insults are public record - the use of   
> my name in titles to defame me is not considered inappropriate on   
> oceania - new-imc - resolve - all imc lists.
>
> Yet you ignored that blatant injustice to justify your actions in   
> breaking a strike because I retaliated.
>
> There are no justifications for breaking our strike.
>
> Sydney imc's meeting with people we expelled (People you host) - was  
>  unethical and conspiratorial - to even the simplest of minds.
>
> There is ample evidence of a long running hate campaign - part of   
> which you continue to host 24/7.
>
>
> sydney imc mounted months of hate/race posts against our afilliated   
> collective prior to our losing our domain.
>
> All evidence of the afore-mentioned campaign to harm the DIMC - that  
>  you continue to support.
>
> Your imc mates can't explain their actions. you continue to host   
> ugly attacks on me using a battered Aboriginal woman - and you are   
> telling me to be careful.
>
> You disgust me.
>
> ___________________________________________-
>
>
> Your strike-breaking has already turned you into a guilt-ridden,   
> paranoic, uttering empty threats.
>
>  karma is inexorable
>
>
> http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/53376/index.php
>
> you're a class act NZ/axxs
>
>
>
>
>
> - mick - DIMC
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> dave at netaxxs.com.au wrote: Quoting mick lambe PARIAH
> :
>
>> What threats?
>
> Your thinly veiled ones, which may have worked so far on Indymedia
> lists, but when you approach a workers collective, that's a business
> in Australia, you have to be damn careful what you say when you are
> threatening peoples jobs and livelyhood by your words, published on
> websites, and on public mailing lists across the internet.
>
>> You hosted people you knew were liars responsible for this mess.You
>> still host their obviously defunct site.
>
> Axxs.org hosted arafura, as we have hosted all Indymedias that ask,
> there's no criteria, nor do we even ask for a contact. It takes 5 mins
> to setup a site space on the server, then nothing more is thought of it.
>
> BTW axxs.org is not our workers collective, it's a seperate project
> and collective in itself. You are threatening in your posts via our
> contact form to all our staff.
>
> Your threatening quite a few people here Mick, and this is pretty damn
> serious your public allegations about us.
>
> Please stop as it is already causing us loss of business, as we have
> pointed out to you, and you have chosen to continue to up the ante on
> your attacks.
>
>> You hosted race/hate campaigns against our collective on NZ indymedia.
>
> Axxs.org hosts Indymedia sites, yes, our collective doesn't. We are
> not liable for the content hosted on Axxs.org, indeed on the sites
> themselves they say they are not responsible for posts by anonymous
> users.
>
> Prove your public statements that these are campaigns Mick, and that
> we are knowingly funding them, and hosting them, and be careful of
> your wording if I was you.
>
>> You then "threatened" strikers and acted on those threats. Despite
>> knowing of the ugly and POU-breaching use of your axxs hosted sites.
>>  Why would we obey someone who calls me a "knobhead?" - and tries to
>>  bully us into submission?
>
> There was no threats, there was an explanation of what options there
> was. Axxs.org asked you to change the titles of posts to not include
> peoples names, as with all Indymedias on the server, or to find
> alternate hosting. You were offered transparent move with no downtime
> even after you refused to move.
>
> You chose to then forcibly remain on the services, you chose to extend
> your strike in Indymedia to be a sit-in on our service, forcing us to
> work for you.
>
> You made no effort to move, and started a huge amount of public posts
> like this one, claiming we are supporting race hate campaigns.
>
>> What I find incredibly pathetic  - is how the imc could not answer a
>>  reasonable request they were bound to answer according to OUR POU
>> and whatever ethical base your org claims to work by.
>
> We are not Indymedia Mick, for the upteenth time. We are workers that
> are actively working toward forming an Australian branch of a union of
> computer and communications workers revolving around non-hierarchical
> organising through our workers collective here in Wang, if you didn't
> know. Axxs.org is just one part of it.
>
>> The IMC treated you with the absolute contempt with which they have
>> treated us, ignoring your request to answer our question. They
>> abused your right to a simple explanation - as well as ours.
>
> Who is Indymedia Mick? heaps of autonomous collectives. No one's
> answering, because anyone that says anything, you wage a war of
> posting attrition against them that never ends. I have plenty of
> emails from people saying just that, and telling me that the only way
> to keep out of your firing line is just not to get involved. I have
> said this in past posts.
>
> Your methodologies are very clear, they work, are very effective. They
> use force as their catalyst. The Indymedia network is not well formed
> enough to withstand such an extreme attack at the network level.
> Rather than strengthen that, your chosing to take that weakness and
> exploit it. Again, this is pretty much common knowledge from the
> people that have sent me emails, from all around the world on this.
>
>> Please do not insult our intelligence further by attempting to
>> justify your lack of ethics in attacking strikers and your
>> grovelling to an IMC that simply ignored you.
>
> I'm not grovelling to anyone, I didn't attack strikers, we asked you
> to move hosting because of your methodology over posts which we do not
> support, or to simple change them.
>
> You made the choice against changing them, thus your option was to
> find alternate hosting.
>
>> Thanks to you - hundreds of human rights articles are down
>
> No, because you refused to look for alternate hosting with over 2
> weeks notice that we could not morally support your methodology. You
> have chosen to force that upon us. coercion.
>
>> and the  only site representing this region is run by (proven) liars
>> who  stalked, threatened and assaulted us - AT OUR HOMES. Admitted.
>
> No, your blaming our workers collective in this email to us. The fact
> your site is down is that there's no one to maintain it. Who do we
> force to do it Mick?
>
> You have made claims against our workers collective, which have no
> power over axxs.org decisions, and we are taking those claims very
> seriously. that's not a threat, that's a statement. Just look at your
> actions to date. we are not mucking around when we say we are taking
> them seriously.
>
>> You have condoned this ugly intimidatory behaviour and the abuse of
>> our rights by your actions.
>
> No don't just say it Mick, these are very heavy claims, and we are not
> Indymedia.
>
> We will protect ourselves. Axxs.org's action was to ask you to find
> alternate hosting if you could not keep your posts within the moral
> grounds of the people running the server. You chose not us, it was
> your inaction that has led to the site being backed up and ready for
> your new host.
>
> Prove these claims you are making publicly about our business
> condoning race hate campaigns Mick.
>
>> Your only option was to demand an answer from the imc once the
>> deadline was broken. A simple request from an afilliated imc (and
>> axxs) they ignored to further breach our rights.
>
> Who is Indymedia? Lots of collectives just likes yours. When I asked
> you, REPETITIVELY, you refused outright to answer as to who you were
> asking for your domain back from. I asked nearly every single email to
> you, with no reply to most of all my questions on that and other
> things. I have had to do basically everything myself in my attempt to
> support you.
>
> And this is what your doing in return.
>
>> axxs are finished as a 'progressive' network.
>
> That's a threat Mick, against quite a few workers across quite a few
> collectives, and also ones not in them, you can claim it's not, but I
> have advice that it clearly is.
>
>> No-one tolerates  strikebreakers. You reckon I'm "crazy".
>
> It was a term of reference and you have taken it out of context. I
> think you must be crazy to be doing what you are doing here. I am not
> saying or think you are mentally ill dude, if that's what you mean
>
>> Your further "threats" are laughable. Are you implying more images
>> of my dead mate and battered women are to be hosted on axxs to harm
>> innocent people?
>
> Of course not, it was made a condition of hosting that Indymedia's
> move to take down all these posts on our server from anonymous people
> as soon as they were discovered by anyone. And the Indymedia's are
> complying. As I said in my original posts, you were the first as you
> had prominent articles on the front page with them there, other
> Indymedia's on the server are actively taking down all posts even to
> do with you from there sites. You just blatantly refuse to accept that
> we have moral grounds, and are trying to force us to go against our
> morals and support your methodology.
>
> It's not threats Mick, you are posting to public lists with some
> pretty hefty claims. You will probably be called on again by others to
> prove them shortly.
>
> Above you are claiming that we hosted images to harm innocent people,
> and may post more to do so again.
>
>> The "karma" is all your own doing.
>
> What's this Karma Mick you are telling us that we are going to suffer?
>
> I would like to also know, if these statements are your own, or the
> collective statements of DIMC and it's members.
>
> Are your statements here supported by all in your collective Mick?
>
> Dave
>
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>    mick lambe - coordinator: PARIAH - BETTER A PARIAH - THAN A LIAR
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