[axxs-sysadmin] Aussie tech fed?

[and]

OK, I think I get it now :) Sounds good.
And.


On 16/02/2007, at 10:04 AM, Dave Fregon wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 12:41 +1100, and wrote:
>> On 14/02/2007, at 5:11 PM, aketus wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds like a good idea... kind of like an Aussie FreeGeek :-)
>>
>> what about the non-aussies? or those of us who don't want to identify
>> as aussies? Oi! Oi! Oi!! :)
>
> yes, well, I was thinking local rather than global. I think virtual
> global organising is good, but I think also being able to be on the
> streets in support of comrades in the industries is a good thing too,
> and be solidly open to workers at all levels in the industry. I think
> having a more local focus, with affiliation with a global network,  
> a lot
> better way to start out without crawling thru what others have already
> done.
>
> I am strong of the opinion we shouldn't double up, and if you're
> interested in a world-wide representation of where I think we should
> head with a 'union' of tech/geek workers, look at IU560
> (http://www.iww.org/unions/dept500/iu560/), you can subscribe to their
> list at iu560-l-request at iww.org with the word subscribe in the  
> subject.
>
> I am keen however to get a lot of _local_ geeks and workers  
> organised on
> our 'island', so that we can have a local affiliated group of
> techs/geeks working af filiated with the ASF/IWW for mutual aid. I  
> would
> like to see others do the same in their area of the world, without us
> trying to encompass the lot. I think iu560 does that. I think also  
> that
> we work thru the local chapters that are in existence in Ausfailure
> today, with a rich history. We for instance have a fella from Benalla
> that comes in and helps out, he has worked help-desk and phones etc in
> an ISP, and would be very interested in a union such as this, focussed
> on mechanics of stuff relevant to him. A global virtual list is  
> good in
> one way, but I don't see it appealing to a local level worker in the
> industry, as much as something more focussed to our struggles locally.
>
> I think we should actively encourage other regional groups to do the
> same, affiliated with us here in Australia. Yes axxs.org is
> trans-global, but that does not mean we cannot start at local  
> chapters,
> working together using an existing (and strong) structure such as the
> ASF/IWW etc.
>
> Why re-invent the wheel? exactly. I think there is structure and a  
> great
> ideology that sums up where I was going with the proposal more fully
> than my first take on it, and regardless of whether members of the
> collective wish to join a 'workers union', I would like to still  
> propose
> that we support one.
>
> Haing an open list, folk wouldn't necessarily have to join the IWW,  
> but
> by golly I reckon it would be a great way of jumping a LOT of  
> headaches
> and effort to work together, rather than separately. it is  
> basically the
> same ideology.
>
> We have iww.org.au on the server, I have cc'd them as well as the  
> ASF so
> that they may care to have some input on this.
>
> I would like to see this move ahead, and strongly. The more minds on
> this idea the better.
>
> So, a list for organising and discussing this, is my proposal,  
> whatever
> the name, whether others in the collective wish to be involved  
> actively
> or not, I think a list for discussing and promoting this idea would be
> great.
>
> Dave
>
>
>> And.
>>
>>>
>>> I'd hope to get AptGetAnarchy.org used as a sort of knowledge base /
>>> think tank area for folk like this too... I'm sure it could all  
>>> tie-in
>>>
>>> aketus
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Fregon wrote:
>>>> pabs mentioned in IRC how some groups are starting to spring up
>>>> around
>>>> tech stuff ... and how it would be a good idea to 'have a list  
>>>> where
>>>> geeks from all such groups in .au could gather'
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to put this as a proposal that we start this and  
>>>> provide the
>>>> initial services to get this started, in providing a mailing  
>>>> list off
>>>> axxs.org as a basis for it's growth, and initial posts over how we
>>>> organise.
>>>>
>>>> it comes down to the name for it ..as a secondary to the proposal.
>>>>
>>>> .. for that I propose OBATU at axxs.org
>>>>
>>>> One Big Aussie Tech Union :)
>>>>
>>>> (oh well, humour me and come up with something ;) I was thinking
>>>> that or
>>>> OBAGU (One Big Aussie Geek Union) .. I dunno
>>>>
>>>> anyway something I have been thinking about for a long time, as I
>>>> have
>>>> mentioned in so many posts in the past, and was the ideas over
>>>> what bred
>>>> axxs.org ;) we should get out there and connect, and also drive an
>>>> anarchist approach to it as a basis of organisation within it as a
>>>> federation of collectives and individuals too. (ie: spokecouncil
>>>> formats
>>>> etc, mutual aid, etc)
>>>>
>>>> This could also come to encompass people like help-desk workers,
>>>> networking folk etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> also, there's a list started up by one of the people and sites
>>>> axxs.org
>>>> hosts some may be interested in ..
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.constructivecriticism.net/mailman/listinfo/coopnetwork
>>>>
>>>> already had a meeting, the next one : Monday 26th Feb @ 6.30 @
>>>> Lentils
>>>> in Abbotsford
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try and make that one, as I missed the last.
>>>>
>>>> Davo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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