[axxs-sysadmin] [Ticket#2007072810000092] please comment out pl.indy A record 64.34.176.147

[boud]

salut bertagaz,

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, IndyMedia DNS group wrote:

> Hi salut mes ami-e-s bou d,
>
> I removed the IP as you requested but just wanted to say you only have one
> left. I don't see mirrors or so. You have pl, poland and alll pointing on karl
> and admin.pl and others on 217.160.223.32 and that's all. Just wanted to warn
> you. I paste a copy of the setup of pl.i.o for you to see. I close this
> ticket, if you have further request or so, just reply to this mail please.


Thanks for the warning.  We now have three indymedia collectives + websites
in Poland:

* cia.bzzz.net   (indymedia de facto, but not officially indymedia(TM))
* torun.indymedia.org (town)
* pl.indymedia.org  (warsaw / claims to be national(ist))

Both cia.bzzz and torun.indy each run on a single server.

i'm now only doing tech support for torun.indy - i would prefer to
support local collectives rather than a "national", malfunctioning
collective (e.g. preventng the hiding of an article promoting "facts"
to support the antisemitic stereotype of "Judaeo-commune" - that the
quite repressive Communist government in Poland was run by Jews, and
then getting angry at the idea that a major antiracist activist group
in Poland could participate in the indymedia discussion of the issue).

i think probably we won't want to debate here which of these three is
the "real" indymedia or is "more" indymedia, though i probably can't
prevent my self totally from giving my analyses. My point of view is
expressed publicly here:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-communication/2007-July/0728-9t.html

Another way of describing it could be in analogy to the IMC France
situation of 5 years ago. The "national" IMC France reorganised
(painfully and slowly) into a loose network of local city imc's:
nationalism dies slowly. IMC Poland is now de facto IMC Warsaw, but
who knows if/when it will reorganise officially that way. But of
course, the analogy is not perfect (like any analogy).

If someone wants to provide tech support the "Poland" collective, be
warned that you may be accused of being dishonest if you ask someone
reporting a bug to give you details of the bug. This is considered
"dishonesty", because when you ask for concrete details, then the
person claiming the bug may no longer be able to claim the bug exists,
especially if it's irreproducible. You are expected to agree that the
irreproducible bugs exist.  And then you must justify why you're not
fixing them.  Of course, here i'm generalising from one incident. 
Other incidents have been different...

BTW, i don't think we should close the pl.indy site - more information
distribution is generally better than less, even by malfunctioning
collectives. But i don't think we need to feel obliged to support it
either, especially since there are two other indymedia collectives
with functioning websites for local activists, and when it is unwilling
to go through the new-imc process as a new collective.

solidarity
boud


> boud <boud at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> hi dns,
>>
>> Could you please comment out the 64.34.176.147  A record for
>> pl.indymedia.org  ?  This is one of two static mirrors.
>>
>> The other static mirror (in fact, it's karl.serve.com) should remain
>> and i expect that probably zapata, and harcesz from the reorganising
>> imc pl collective, will maintain it along with the publishing server
>> (admin.pl).
>>
>> thanks
>> boud (imc torun volunteer)
>>
>>
>
> Your subdomain has been redirected as:
>
> pl              IN      A       65.23.159.194
> www.pl          IN      CNAME   pl
> poland          IN      CNAME   pl
> www.poland      IN      CNAME   pl
> polska          IN      CNAME   pl
> www.polska      IN      CNAME   pl
> pologne         IN      CNAME   pl
> www.pologne     IN      CNAME   pl
>
> admin.pl        IN      CNAME   kosmos
> admin.poland    IN      CNAME   kosmos
> admin.polska    IN      CNAME   kosmos
> admin.pologne   IN      CNAME   kosmos
>
> If you have further questions, informations, notes, don't hesitate to contact
> us.
>
> If it is related to this request, just reply to this message and keep the
> subject.
>
> bertagaz
> DNS Working Group
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