[IMC Dispatch] Re: Fwd: 5/01 Boston Convergence Against Capitalism (attn dave and sofia)

Wed Apr 27 13:29:34 PDT 2005

You know, when they first called for an anarchist action on May Day on 
our website, people pointed out to them that there was already an 
immigrants' rights action going on and that, if they wanted to hook up 
with it, they should really check in with the organizers of the rally. 
So hopefully our site served one of the functions its supposed to 
(increase communication between different progressive groups) and the 
necessary conversations happened. -- Matt

On Apr 26, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Pete Stidman wrote:

> whoa sofia!
>
> I hope you didn't mention me in that email, or what I
> said about MGA.  IT could probably cause me some
> pretty major problems if people somehow thought I was
> trying to cause division.  I haven't talked to Jason
> for a week so I don't know where things are currently
> and you might upset some careful negotiations.
>
> I am hoping you omitted that stuff.  even though this
> is a public list, it's diffferent when you're getting
> in somebody's face.  I work with people on both sides
> of this everyday.  Please be careful with this kind of
> stuff.  Using it for reporting is one thing, that's
> why I put it here.  not so people can go take actions
> against anyone.  even an email can be hostile as we
> all know.
>
> We can discuss this but right here is where I think
> the line between journalist and activist gets blurry.
>
>
> I would think that a story about this would be helpful
> to both sides if done in a nice respectful way to both
> sides, but if our reporter takes one side right away
> that shows heavy bias, it will put off the people on
> that side and they clam up, so we got no story, and
> the problems persist without insight.
>
> I don't mean to single you out sofia, (except to say
> that I like your fiery spirit and that was my impulse
> too) but i feel this is a good example to discuss
> here.
>
> Do people understand what I'm saying here?  I need to
> know that the information I divulge on these lists
> about the rest of the world will be used for
> reporting, only.  Or at least won't be associated with
> me, indymedia, or any other affiliate like MGA.
>
> -pete
>
>
> --- Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> shit! (sorry) that's terrible!! I just sent them an
>> email about this.  If any immigrants get arrested,
>> they will be DEPORTED.
>>
>> sofia
>> --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> dang!  so many questions today!
>>>
>>> So this is what the anarchists are organizing.
>> But
>>> there is major problems with it from the
>> perspective
>>> of the folks organizing the immigrants rally.
>>>
>>> This is calling for an unpermitted march, which
>>> means
>>> cops, which means illegal immigrants are going to
>>> stay
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Dave- you should really include this bit in your
>>> story.  Jason Pramas can tell you about it, and
>> you
>>> should find out who he has been talking to in the
>>> anarchist movement to hear their side of it.
>>>
>>> -pete
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Is this a different thing? I'm confused!
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> sofia
>>>> --- David Rolde <davidrolde at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> To: bostonmarch20 at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> From: David Rolde <davidrolde at comcast.net>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:43:47 -0400
>>>>> Subject: [BostonMarch20] Fwd:  5/01 Boston
>>>>> Convergence Against Capitalism
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAY DAY 2005: BOSTON CONVERGENCE AGAINST
>>>> CAPITALISM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday, May 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Bosses, No Borders:
>>>>>> Into the Streets for Freedom for Immigrants &
>>> All
>>>>> Working People!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On International Workers Day, we call for
>>> people
>>>> of
>>>>> Boston and New England
>>>>>> to take to the streets in opposition to
>>>> capitalism.
>>>>> Capitalism is the
>>>>>> enemy of the worker, the enemy of the
>>> immigrant,
>>>>> the enemy of all freedom
>>>>>> loving people. We reject its wars, its
>>>> governments,
>>>>> its immigration laws,
>>>>>> and its exploitation and degradation of life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We stand for a world free of bosses and
>>> borders.
>>>>> One day we will abolish
>>>>>> them and seize control of our own lives,
>>>>> workplaces, and communities. In
>>>>>> the meantime, this May Day, we will take back
>>> the
>>>>> streets of this city and
>>>>>> stand in solidarity with the struggles of
>>>> immigrant
>>>>> workers. We will make
>>>>>> anti-capitalist resistance visible again. We
>>> will
>>>>> give new life to the new
>>>>>> world that's in our own hearts and the hearts
>>> of
>>>>> working people
>>>>>> everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12:30 - Converge at Boston Common at Park &
>>>> Tremont
>>>>> St
>>>>>> 1:00 - Anti-Capitalist March through Downtown
>>>>> Boston
>>>>>> 2:00 - Immigrant Rights Rally at Copley Place
>>>>>> 5:00 - Benefit for ABC No Rio at 45 Mount
>>> Auburn
>>>> St
>>>>>> 11:00 - Reclaim the Streets in Harvard Square
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bring friends and lovers and fellow workers.
>>>> Bring
>>>>> pots and pans, drums
>>>>>> and instruments, songs and banners and flags.
>>>> Bring
>>>>> creativity and
>>>>>> defiance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> History of Struggle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May Day was born in the struggles of workers
>>> here
>>>>> in America in 1886, when
>>>>>> general strikes broke out across the land and
>>>> were
>>>>> met with bloody
>>>>>> repression - including the Haymarket Massacre
>>> in
>>>>> Chicago, followed by the
>>>>>> frameup and death sentences of anarchist
>> labor
>>>>> organizers Parsons, Spies,
>>>>>> Fischer, Engel, Lingg, Fielden, Schwab and
>>> Neebe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year since, workers all over the world
>>> have
>>>>> marked May Day with mass
>>>>>> mobilizations, work stoppages, and other
>> direct
>>>>> actions. In the place
>>>>>> where it all began, the forces of reaction
>> have
>>>>> done all they can to make
>>>>>> us forget. Yet we remember with our feet: We
>>>>> remember in the streets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boston and eastern Massachusetts has been a
>>>>> historic center of working
>>>>>> class resistance to tyranny and exploitation,
>>>> from
>>>>> the Boston Tea Party to
>>>>>> the Bread & Roses Strike to community
>> struggles
>>>>> against segregation,
>>>>>> gentrification and corporate invasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Join us in the streets of Boston as the
>> Spirit
>>> of
>>>>> '76 and '86 rises again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Called by BAAM. To endorse or otherwise get
>> in
>>>>> touch: maydayboston at yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Truly, there is no future without forgiveness."
>>>> Desmond Tutu
>>>>
>>>> "Non-violence is not inaction. It is not
>>> discussion.
>>>> It is not for the timid or weak...Non-violence
>> is
>>>> hard work. It is the willingness to sacrifice.
>> It
>>> is
>>>> the patience to win." Cesar Chavez
>>>>
>>>>
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>> "Truly, there is no future without forgiveness."
>> Desmond Tutu
>>
>> "Non-violence is not inaction. It is not discussion.
>> It is not for the timid or weak...Non-violence is
>> hard work. It is the willingness to sacrifice. It is
>> the patience to win." Cesar Chavez
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