[Boston-editorial] Phone number

Wed Apr 6 14:26:07 PDT 2005

Has the person contacted the IMC asking for it to be removed?
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> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: TL <saoirse1220 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boston-editorial] art?
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> I fully support keeping it up. On purely mechanical
> grounds there isnt anything clearly forbidding such
> work at least from what I understand. You are right
> Matt that its hard to argue that this is news (though
> I can so clearly picture some easily hateable,
> dim-headed, quasi-free spirit, pretentious, art-school
> student questioning "well what is... news?") That said
> I personally feel that, not only should we support
> this sortof thing, but that absent the clearly defined
> policy that would reject art like this than we really
> are swimming in dangerous waters when we start
> 'censoring' what is acceptable art and what isnt. I
> mean this stuff in question has no defined intention
> though I can definitely see the possible political
> undertones (no more than I can see undertones of of
> personal salvation and eroticism) I mean sure labeling
> it is fine god-forbid someone accidently clicks on a 
> page they x right out of. As the site is now I do
> think that this is a murky issue and mabye when the
> site is reconfigured we work with it more clearly but
> I totally am for more stuff like this when or if we
> can fit it in more comfortably. Ive seen it on other
> IMCs and I think if applied properly can only be good
> in terms of providing more variety and broadening our
> range of viewers as well as give fuller definition to
> the term "Indy-Media". Obviously we're not a venue for
> paintings of cigar-smoking dogs playing pool or
> lust-driven poetry about middle-school english
> teachers but this is something I think we should
> definitely address as as an organization......
> -TL     
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I was thinking maybe that we could just put "ART" in
> > the title of the post so that people who click in
> > know its not going to be an article, which is
> > probably what they expect to see or want to see.  If
> > we do that I think it should stay, this ones already
> > fallen off though so it doesn't matter too much.
> >  
> > -Pete
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > As long as he doesn't overdo it, I like it fine.
> > Maybe
> > he wants to promotes his skills to the community.
> > 
> > best,
> > sofia
> > --- Matthew Williams wrote:
> > > Someone has posted his artwork to our newswire:
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/34686/index.php
> > >
> >
> http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/34685/index.php
> > >
> >
> http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/34684/index.php
> > > 
> > > Is this something we want to leave up? I'm
> > genuinely
> > > not sure. It 
> > > doesn't fit the definition of news any way you cut
> > > it, but he does seem 
> > > to intend his art to have a political message. If
> > we
> > > want to be a 
> > > general media resource for people, should we allow
> > > them to use our 
> > > newswire to distribute their artwork? Is this
> > > something most people 
> > > will just regard as cluttering the newswire and an
> > > annoyance?
> > > 
> > > I guess my take is we should hide it, but in
> > > designing the new website, 
> > > we might want to think about ways to accomodate
> > this
> > > sort of thing. 
> > > People post political flyers that would probably
> > > better fit on an 
> > > "artwire" or something better than on the
> > newswire,
> > > so it wouldn't just 
> > > be for something like this.
> > > 
> > > -- Matt
> > > 
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> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boston-editorial] feature on Gentrification in JP
> To: Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com>,	Editorial IMC
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> hi,
> I still don't feel comfortable us having this guy's
> phone number there.  If someone calls him to threaten
> him (which is super unlikely, of course, but what if)
> and the that someone says he/she got the phone number
> from our site, it would make us look terrible.
> 
> Is there any way we could pull off his phone number
> but keep the rest of the info up?
> 
> cheers,
> sofia
> 
> --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Whoa- hold on there Matt.  Thanks for not taking
> > this down.  
> >  
> > If you notice in the comments there is someone who
> > explains the context that was originally left out. 
> > I think maybe because you are not living in JP you
> > do not know how HUGE this thing is for people there.
> >  (for emphasis)  It's really huge.  really really. 
> > biggest thing pulling groups together in that area
> > right now.  5 comments in one hour should tell you
> > something.  and the date is urgent.  this maybe last
> > chance saloon for it.  If you took it down or if we
> > took it down, it would really ruin us in alot of
> > peoples eyes.  if we didn't put it up same thing.  
> >  
> > Second- The guy in question is a public figure.  He
> > is bidding on a public project.  He is fair game for
> > this sort of thing.  If you are bidding on public
> > property people get to know who you are and they get
> > a way to contact you.  
> >  
> > Were not talking about some dope grinding away on a
> > PC in a closet.  Were talking about a
> > multi-millionaire developer who affects the lives of
> > tens of thousands of people everytime he moves.  
> >  
> > Please don't touch this thing.  
> >  
> > and please, relax a little.  These are our friends.
> >  
> > -pete
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Hello all --
> > 
> > I'm writing because I'm concerned about the most
> > recent posting Pete 
> > centered:
> >
> http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/34778/index.php
> > 
> > 
> > One concern is that it's just an announcement--as
> > one reader complains, 
> > there's not really a lot of context. If it were an
> > announcement with 
> > more information, I would be cool with centering it,
> > but as it is now, 
> > it's not a news article and it's not commentary. I
> > think we've agreed 
> > in the past we don't want to center announcements
> > because that involves 
> > picking and choosing which campaigns to support.
> > 
> > If that was the only issue, I probably wouldn't be
> > posting this though.
> > 
> > My bigger issue is that we've centered something
> > that includes 
> > someone's home phone number and urges people to call
> > him. Yes, it urges 
> > people to be cordial, but we know perfectly well
> > plenty of people won't 
> > be cordial. It's one thing if this sort of
> > announcement is in the 
> > newswire--it's another if it's in the features
> > column, which at least 
> > implies we support such actions. I have no interest
> > in getting into a 
> > debate if such actions are appropriate, but I'm
> > concerned about what 
> > the possible consequences are if it seems like we're
> > endorsing a call 
> > to action which might result in someone being
> > verbally harassed. Is 
> > that really a position we want to put ourselves in?
> > 
> > I'd also point out that when people have posted
> > Flipside's personal 
> > information in the past, we've hidden it. The
> > situation is somewhat 
> > dangerous, since the developer represents a threat
> > to the community and 
> > Flipside is a relatively harmless (if annoying)
> > crank, but still I 
> > would think that indicates we agree that we're not
> > eager to publish 
> > people's personal information without their
> > permission, regardless of 
> > what we think of them.
> > 
> > -- Matt
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