[Boston-editorial] feature on Gentrification in JP

[Sofia JarrinT]

Pete,
This discussion should remain on the Editorial List
per group decision this past Sunday (although I was
not there... I read the minutes).
 
Thanks!!
Sofia
> --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > No it wont because this site asks you to be
> polite. 
> > It is common practice for the public to make its
> > voice
> > known to developers.  This kind of this led by
> > groups
> > all the time.  y'all keep saying "this guy", he is
> > more than just some guy, he is a public figure,
> and
> > he
> > is engaged in what many people consider to be
> > ruining
> > a neighborhood.  
> > 
> > A public figure is akin to a mayor or a councilman
> > or
> > the president.  Would you also be opposed to
> putting
> > listed numbers for those people on our website?
> > 
> > It's in the phone book folks.  public information.
> 
> > I
> > guess I would be listening more if either of you
> who
> > are concerned lived in JP and knew the magnitude
> of
> > the situation and how concerned many of the people
> > in
> > this important neghborhood are.  
> > 
> > It would be great if one of you was willing to
> > report
> > on this.  I would gladly replace the story for a
> > well
> > investigated and well crafted story on how this
> > landmark is being auctioned of in the heart of JP.
> 
> > But if this is how the people of that neighborhood
> > want to run the campaign I am in support of
> > featuring
> > it.  Their place in this city and their opinions
> are
> > important to the rest of us. 
> > 
> > Another story we should be covering is the
> > destruction
> > of trees along mem drive, also headed up by
> > developers
> > (I've heard).  
> > 
> > I can't think of a good central landmark in
> Brighton
> > or somerville that compares to this thing.  But
> this
> > fight is the difference between a neighborhood and
> > the
> > next back bay. JP is under attack y'all.
> > 
> > Is gentrification important to people here?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Pete
> > 
> > -Pete 
> > 
> > Does anybody on this site have some balls?  
> > 
> > 
> > --- Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > hi,
> > > I still don't feel comfortable us having this
> > guy's
> > > phone number there.  If someone calls him to
> > > threaten
> > > him (which is super unlikely, of course, but
> what
> > > if)
> > > and the that someone says he/she got the phone
> > > number
> > > from our site, it would make us look terrible.
> > > 
> > > Is there any way we could pull off his phone
> > number
> > > but keep the rest of the info up?
> > > 
> > > cheers,
> > > sofia
> > > 
> > > --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Whoa- hold on there Matt.  Thanks for not
> taking
> > > > this down.  
> > > >  
> > > > If you notice in the comments there is someone
> > who
> > > > explains the context that was originally left
> > out.
> > > 
> > > > I think maybe because you are not living in JP
> > you
> > > > do not know how HUGE this thing is for people
> > > there.
> > > >  (for emphasis)  It's really huge.  really
> > really.
> > > 
> > > > biggest thing pulling groups together in that
> > area
> > > > right now.  5 comments in one hour should tell
> > you
> > > > something.  and the date is urgent.  this
> maybe
> > > last
> > > > chance saloon for it.  If you took it down or
> if
> > > we
> > > > took it down, it would really ruin us in alot
> of
> > > > peoples eyes.  if we didn't put it up same
> > thing. 
> > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Second- The guy in question is a public
> figure. 
> > > He
> > > > is bidding on a public project.  He is fair
> game
> > > for
> > > > this sort of thing.  If you are bidding on
> > public
> > > > property people get to know who you are and
> they
> > > get
> > > > a way to contact you.  
> > > >  
> > > > Were not talking about some dope grinding away
> > on
> > > a
> > > > PC in a closet.  Were talking about a
> > > > multi-millionaire developer who affects the
> > lives
> > > of
> > > > tens of thousands of people everytime he
> moves. 
> > 
> > > >  
> > > > Please don't touch this thing.  
> > > >  
> > > > and please, relax a little.  These are our
> > > friends.
> > > >  
> > > > -pete
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello all --
> > > > 
> > > > I'm writing because I'm concerned about the
> most
> > > > recent posting Pete 
> > > > centered:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/34778/index.php
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > One concern is that it's just an
> > announcement--as
> > > > one reader complains, 
> > > > there's not really a lot of context. If it
> were
> > an
> > > > announcement with 
> > > > more information, I would be cool with
> centering
> > > it,
> > > > but as it is now, 
> > > > it's not a news article and it's not
> commentary.
> > I
> > > > think we've agreed 
> > > > in the past we don't want to center
> > announcements
> > > > because that involves 
> > > > picking and choosing which campaigns to
> support.
> > > > 
> > > > If that was the only issue, I probably
> wouldn't
> > be
> > > > posting this though.
> > > > 
> > > > My bigger issue is that we've centered
> something
> > > > that includes 
> > > > someone's home phone number and urges people
> to
> > > call
> > > > him. Yes, it urges 
> > > > people to be cordial, but we know perfectly
> well
> > > > plenty of people won't 
> > > > be cordial. It's one thing if this sort of
> > > > announcement is in the 
> > > > newswire--it's another if it's in the features
> > > > column, which at least 
> > > > implies we support such actions. I have no
> > > interest
> > > > in getting into a 
> > > > debate if such actions are appropriate, but
> I'm
> > > > concerned about what 
> > > > the possible consequences are if it seems like
> > > we're
> > > > endorsing a call 
> > > > to action which might result in someone being
> > > > verbally harassed. Is 
> > > > that really a position we want to put
> ourselves
> > > in?
> > > > 
> > > > I'd also point out that when people have
> posted
> > > > Flipside's personal 
> > > > information in the past, we've hidden it. The
> > > > situation is somewhat 
> > > > dangerous, since the developer represents a
> > threat
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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> 
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> the patience to win." Cesar Chavez
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