[Boston-editorial] Articles vs. Links to articles- new policy?

[Pete Stidman]

Your right this is too much you and me- it is similar
to the cold war.  We need europe and china to step in,
and we need to introduce the global south into the
process.  

But just to keep on keepin on, 

I'm not trying to single out blogs with this.  I'm
really talking about content for US. (-emphasis) The
idea that when you take the time to go into a story on
our newswire you should know what you're getting into.
   On the new site, we can talk about classifying
types of posts (Review, Article, Announcement, Idea,
Links, etc.)  I would still like to encourage news,
reviews, and commentary overall (and in that order).

If we also connect "googly eyes" to indicate how many
people have read the article (visible before you link
in to it) then we encourage the kind of posts people
really want to read automatically.  That may then
encourage people to cheat, but I have a solution in
mind for that too.  

At the website meeting today I would like to focus on 
encouraging good behavior/discouraging bad behavior
through design.  

any takers?

-pete
--- Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I agree that having a full article is preferable to
> just having a link 
> with no information--the latter is really annoying.
> It's actually kind 
> of disrespectful to us.
> 
> In the case of the example you give, it looks like
> she's not promoting 
> a blog, but a website that is intended to be a
> resource for feminists. 
> She's providing a number of potentially interesting
> links by different 
> authors, not just one. It's not a personal site, at
> least not in the 
> way a blog is. I'm not quite sure what we should
> encourage people to do 
> in such situations. I have no problem with people
> promoting their 
> websites as resources on the newswire, as long as
> they don't get 
> obnoxious about it. If she just included one article
> with a link, 
> people wouldn't necessarily know there are other
> articles by other 
> authors they might be interested in--i.e., it
> wouldn't be clear that it 
> was a general resource site, not just a personal
> site.
> 
> But that situation is less common that people
> providing just a link or 
> part of an article and a link, which leads to their
> blog or something. 
> In those cases, I think you're right that we should
> encourage people to 
> provide the full article. Are you planning on
> e-mailing folks 
> individually to do this?
> 
> Too much of the conversation on this list is Pete
> and me. I know the 
> rest of you are out there and I assume you have
> opinions. Please speak 
> up!
> 
> -- Matt
> 
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Pete Stidman wrote:
> 
> > I originally included a link so you could see the
> > content I am talking about:  Here it is again.
> >
> >
>
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/34149/index.php
> >
> > Please- check it out this time so you know what I
> mean
> > by this.
> >
> > I just think we could be focused on having full
> > articles- not links to articles.  I think it would
> > make the site a little more usable and less
> > frustrating.
> >
> > When I click into a story I want to see a story,
> not a
> > blurb and a bunch of links to pull me off the
> site.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, I really don't have time to read most of that
> >> stuff. If you think
> >> there's people we should encourage to post more
> of
> >> on our website, may
> >> be you should post links to their work here and
> ask
> >> some of the rest of
> >> us to check them out so we can evaluate them.
> >> Really, I think the best
> >> long-term solution is to set up a section of our
> >> site that consists of
> >> blogs and encourage people to blog there, rather
> >> than posting it in the
> >> newswire or other press. But I haven't seen the
> >> content you're talking
> >> about, so I really can't say what I actually
> think
> >> of it and where it
> >> belongs. -- Matt
> >>
> >> On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Pete Stidman wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's an interesting idea.  We could do that
> but
> >>> maybe we could make a distinction for certain
> >> bloggers
> >>> that are really good writers.  Folks we really
> >> want on
> >>> the site we could ask to publish full articles.
> >> We
> >>> could explain it as, "either post full articles
> or
> >>> post to other press or we hide it.  We strongly
> >>> suggest posting full since you will be on the
> >> newswire
> >>> longer than the other press (which has a shorter
> >>> threshold)."
> >>>
> >>> THen for folks we like less we could present
> both
> >>> options without the emphasis on the full article
> >> maybe
> >>> even pressure them to go to other press. I bet
> >> theyd
> >>> go there if given a choice anyway.
> >>>
> >>> -Pete
> >>> --- Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I often just move stuff like that to the Other
> >>>> Press. People are in the
> >>>> habit of posting entire articles in the Other
> >> Press,
> >>>> but it's main
> >>>> function is to provide links to interesting
> >> articles
> >>>> eslewhere
> >>>> (especially off the Indy Media system), whether
> >> or
> >>>> not they actually
> >>>> post the content of the article. -- Matt
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Pete Stidman
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> we get a fair number of articles that are more
> >>>> links
> >>>>> than articles.  In a way these are almost
> >>>>> advertisements for other peoples news sites
> and
> >>>> blogs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Heres an example:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/34149/index.php
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The article is not even in this post, you have
> >> to
> >>>> go
> >>>>> to the link to read the article.  If people go
> >> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> article it breaks the continuity of the use of
> >> our
> >>>>> site.  I'm not so worried about links in
> >> general,
> >>>> I
> >>>>> love links.  But I think if someone opens up a
> >>>>> newswire item they should see something of
> >>>> substance.
> >>>>> An article or an announcement of an upcoming
> >> event
> >>>> or
> >>>>> at least a news blurb.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We could have some sort of soft enforcement
> >> policy
> >>>> on
> >>>>> this- by contacting the writers of these to
> say-
> >>>> hey
> >>>>> post an article and THEN link to your blog. 
> We
> >>>> could
> >>>>> give folks a number of chances to start doing
> >> this
> >>>> but
> >>>>> then start hiding them if they don't.  It's
> not
> >>>>> censorship but a little control over the form
> of
> >>>> our
> >>>>> site.  They may not get as many links- but the
> >>>> links
> >>>>> they do get would be on the merit of their
> >>>> articles
> >>>>> and not the creation of curiousity with these
> >>>> annoying
> >>>>> posts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What do other folks think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Pete
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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