[IMC-Boston-Editorial] i did not hide the Mobe article: pete read this

[Sofia JarrinT]

Pete,

Two very important things:

1) I did not hide the article. All maintenance I do on
the site is done with my name "sofiajt" instead of an
alias, especially so there's no confusion on what I
do/don't do.

2) There are 2 articles on the site. The original one
under the name "Boston Mobilization and E-mail
Tracking" with all the comments on it which I went
ahead an unhid earlier today (see Editorial & Discuss
list).  The second one "Boston Mobe and Your Privacy"
is a duplicate post by Shadow when he/she saw that we
had hidden the 1st article.  The duplicate should
remain hidden.

Pete, given our past relationship I deeply resent that
you would imply that I hid the post.  Did Eve tell you
she talked to me (by name)? Did you ask her? Or did
you assume because she talked to a woman and decided
to take advantage of the opportunity to point fingers
before the general mtg. this sunday?  

I'm just saying in my opinion, questioning your
sources well would have been better.

--Sofia

--- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> 
> I don't have time to read the volumes but hopefully
> this will address all concerns.  Eve Lyman, who
> heads
> up Mobe is OK with my solution of posting her
> response
> with the article that I have now unhidden.
> 
> I think we owe it to the authors to let it fly a
> full
> run.  It was hidden for most of it's time in the
> newswire.  Community accountability goes all ways,
> not
> just for Mobe. 
> 
> I agree with Jamie in essence, dissent in the
> community is a good thing.  Our best reaction to
> these
> sorts of things is to investigate and come up with a
> story that informs.  In this case I think Eve's
> response helps for a quick fix.  
> 
> >From what Eve told me, Sofia, you did not ask her
> whether the allegations were true or not, you just
> asked her if it had come from Mobe.  When she said
> no,
> you hid it, and I don't think that was the best
> reaction.  SOmething needed to be done, so it was
> good
> of you to catch it, I'm just saying in my opinion,
> investigating it would have been better.  
> 
> -Pete
> 
> 
> --- "visnusdream at juno.com" <visnusdream at juno.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > i just want to say I'm glad there is some nice
> > discussion going on about these issues.
> > 
> > Sofia, I think the lack of of "documentation" you
> > mentioned is a significant problem. It has come up
> > repeatedly. Unfortunately, I have no suggestions
> > about how to solve it. We need a data base that is
> > well organized, and search-able. I'm just not
> > management savvy enough to even know where to look
> > for the available software, nor do I have the
> skills
> > to invent it. 
> > 
> > As you rightly point out the rules are clearly
> > stated on the site; but when this latest article
> > became an issue, one person made the point that we
> > can delete whatever we want and we don't have to
> > explain it. Although I respect the BIMC's right to
> > do that, I think we should make every effort to
> > explain our actions. I am posting the editorial
> > guidelines from the site at the end of this
> message.
> > None of them applies to the MOBE article. 
> > 
> > I don't even like the article; I think it was a
> > ridiculous point to make. However, I agree
> > wholeheartedly with tree monkey: we should feel
> > compelled to explain to our contributors, with
> > coherent statements, about why any particular
> > article is deleted or hidden. 
> > 
> > There is quite a bit of criticism of MOBE on the
> > site, but there is also a lot of criticism of
> > ANSWER, the communists, the socialists, the
> > capitalist, and the anarchist block. Whether we
> like
> > it or not, the site is most frequently used by
> > activists and they are likely to bring their
> > differences of opinion to this forum. As long as
> the
> > information is accurate, we should not get in the
> > middle of these disputes, anymore than we should
> try
> > to curb the dissemination of accurate but
> > politically damaging information about the
> > President. 
> > In a democracy, criticism is healthy. 
> > 
> > If we don't let people post negative things about
> > MOBE, how will MOBE's leadership even know these
> > questions about their ethics are of concern to the
> > community?
> >  
> > Think about how different things might have turned
> > out if the IMC forum would have existed, providing
> a
> > space for engaging conversation, during the last
> > years of the Black Panthers, when the FBI was
> > destroying them with subtle internal propaganda.
> > Part of the reason some of those tactics were
> > effective was because there was no single place
> were
> > the rank and file members could come together to 
> > discuss the pertinent issues with other members of
> > the community. 
> > 
> > IMC helps break down barriers and hierarchies.
> When
> > a vibrant discussion is taking place, with lots of
> > different opinions being expressed, even if I
> think
> > the topic is trivial, I believe it is in the best
> > interest of all to allow the discussion to
> continue.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm glad that we were able to have this particular
> > article re-instated.
> > Love,
> > Jamie 
> > 
> > We have consensed on hiding the following types of
> > posts: 
> > 
> > 1. Hate posts; posts that explicitly express
> sexism,
> > racism, homophobia, or other forms of prejudice. 
> > 2. Threats of Violence. 
> > 3. Slanderous or libelous material. 
> > 4. Personal attacks or insults. 
> > 5. Advertising. 
> > 6. Pornography. 
> > 7. Duplicates or extremely similar posts. 
> > 8. Disruptive or provocative material clearly
> > intended to impede constructive activity on the
> > site. 
> > 9. Misinformation. 
> > 
> > We have consensed on deleting these kinds of
> posts: 
> > 
> > 1. Any hate posting that also carries media such
> as
> > photos, audio or video clips (to prevent the use
> of
> > our server as a linkable storage space) 
> > 2. Any post by an individual known by Indymedia to
> > have consistently acted in a disruptive manner and
> > that the collective has unanimously identified as
> a
> > sabateur. 
> > 3. Stories, pictures, video footage or other
> > material that could potentially incriminate or
> > otherwise endanger activists. 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
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