[Dns-tech] Re: [Imc-oceania] a couple of clarifications.

[and]

Heyas,

> Like Shayne, I have just thought 'ahh the DNS working group in 
> indymedia
> is handling all this, not me, and that's GREAT' ie: the DNS crew that
> Mick was pointed at resolving this thru.
>
I am on the dns-tech list and didn't see any conversations about it. 
The last piece of correspondence mick had with the DNS list he was 
asked to go to process or somewhere else that had the capacity to make 
decisions on this. From talking to people it seems that this process 
actually happened on the dns ticketing system. Is that correct?
>
> Mick was pointed to solving this issue through the indymedia channels,
> he approached the DNS crew, and the dns crew made the change, after a
> lot of conversations back and forth, most I didn't get CC'd, some I 
> did,
> and pretty much all I didn't read as 'indymedia processes/working group
> is handling it'

Did this happen on some kind of list other people can access?

>
> I'm failing to see how Shayne, myself or anyone that happened to be 
> cc'd
> the confirmation of DNS change is reponsible for not informing oceania
> .. shouldn't this be the resonsibility of the DNS crew and their
> methods? not casual observers who have chosen not to partake in the
> issues? Should I just question everything? :)

The responsibility is only in knowing (I don't know if you did but 
shayne certainly did) that there were collectives and individuals who 
objected to mick gaining control of the domain.

The other key problem is that it appears that a private process has 
been followed. The fact that a resolution group established itself 
without informing the rest of the network is a bit of a worry. How was 
anyone else who was interested in the issue able to get involved?
>
> from my perspective .. I have no idea what is going on with darwin, as
> there are so many emails/lists/convos that it is impossible to jump in
> and try and work out that everything is going by decisions and efforts
> made by everyone, when it appears that the parties involved have gone
> through the channels provided by the indymedia network, that is the DNS
> working group.
>
> So rather than crucify an individual over something that really is not
> their responsibility, but the reponsibility of the entire network and
> methodology, I suggest that looking at the actual processes that lead 
> to
> this be looked at.

I agree it is an entire network problem. We are pretty bad at making 
open and quick decisions.

>
>>> I dont expect to engage in anymore corespondance on the issue anymore
>>> either , Im far too flustered by it to give rational responses.
>>>
>>
>> That may be the case Shayne but I think you need to but I think myself
>> and many other people expect you to engage with the debate as you seem
>> to have some information a lot of the rest of us don't.
>
> OK now I'm scared. How do I or anyone judge that?

don't be scared :) I'm just trying work out how all this happened. 
Stacy suggested in irc this all happened through a irc conversation 
between shayne and bertagaz. is that correct?
>
> to me, I think indymedia should look at their process, not blame 
> someone
> for not telling everyone that someone was applying for the DNS to be
> moved through the correct channels!

definitely some failures of process. From the irc conversation I just 
read between shayne and bertagaz it seems it was decided by two people. 
I sent an email that went to imc-perth on december 19 saying that there 
was no consensus in imc-melb that the dns be changed and that a 
proposal would have to be put to us for consideration mid-jan when we 
next met. I would find it difficult to believe that shayne didn't read 
that email.

I'm not seeking to blame or vilify them but I think that whoever made 
the decisions needs to take responsibility for them.

Cheers.
And.


>
> Dave
>
>>
>>> Slightly annoyed this fiasco is still happening,
>>
>>
>> especially as it could have so easily been avoided with a bit more
>> transparency.
>>
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