[Imc-africa] Réunions IMC BKO

Sat Jun 10 10:39:06 PDT 2006

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De : sphinx <sphinx at indymedia.org>
À : African IMCs and the imc project in Africa <imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org>; Jay <idiot at jaysand.com>
Envoyé le : Samedi, 4 Mars 2006, 3h06mn 20s
Objet : Re: [Imc-africa] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (imc   Eas-Africa)

Hi Jay! It is a bit hard for me to imagine that the whole collective 
took such a
radical decision becuase of your mail, which to me did not sound 
abnormal. I had
written to them before you did expressing that same concern and 
explaining that
in the end it is them that will normally have the last word on the name issue.
I also think though Joram had answered this concern in the write up he
mentioned, it still did not address the sustainability of a group accross so
many countries coming together regularly to function like a collective. He did
point out that they had many refugees from all these countries leaving in
Uganda (i think), but it would have been OK to have citizens of different
countries living in Uganda to function in an indymedia Uganda since they are
presently resident in Uganda, rather than to form an indymedia East Africa in
Uganda which would not be carrying activities in the whole of East-Africa and
could have a chilling effect on others who may want to form indymedias in any
of the other countries in East-Africa. The issue is not about IMC-East Africa
it is about the fact that many in new-imc prefer face to face functionality,
people always show concern everytime an imc came up that spread through a very
big geographical zone. Which was the reason imc-Climate and other topic imcs
had years in the waiting for them to finally be accept based on a completely
diffferent process.
Again i had made it clear to Joram that it was them who were in any 
case to have
the last word on the name issue. But then responding to the concerns in 
the way
I raised them could have help the other folks in new-imc get a better
understanding how their group is structured/functioning

> Apart from your five year out reach to groups; do you have meetings 
> together >with all the people from all these countries meeting in one 
> country?, how >regular are such meetings?
> Do you hold open public meetings in all these countries?

I think it is more a matter of the fact that they are under a lot of pressure
from the on going political developments in Uganda. I wish to hope that after
that is over they can take a moment and continue with their new-imc process.
I was planing to take a minute off my tight schedule and join them write a
feature for indymedia.org to help direct some trafic to their work but,
Wara(IMC-BAMAKO) just wrote that the website alluta.org is also offline 
which i
checked and it is offline.

So one will just have to wait and see and hope all goes fine with their
reporting.
Sphinx

Quoting Jay <idiot at jaysand.com>:

> Hi IMC-Africa,
>
> At 3/4/2006, Jay wrote:
>> sphinx,
>>
>> Have you been in touch with Joram at all since he said he and the east
>> africa IMC are pulling out of the new-imc process?  I was really sorry to
>> hear that, and feel a bit responsible because I was questioning them on
>> their choice of name.
>>
>> Jay
>
> I obviously meant to send this message to Sphinx and not to the whole list,
> but no matter.  I feel bad for appearing to throw up some barriers to
> imc-east africa when they were asking about how to join the indymedia
> network -- I didn't want it to come across that way.  So, Joram, if you're
> out there, I'm sorry about that!  Let's talk about ways to work together
> that don't seem like as much of a burden.
>
> Jay
>
>
>> At 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>> >Hello New-IMC!
>> >I?m volunteering to help IMC-EAST Africa through the new-imc process.
>> >They sent in their Application on Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:26:59 -0800 (PST).
>> >
>> >http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2006-January/0121-oz.html
>> >
>> >Hello Joram and friends of IMC-East Africa; I?m sphinx from
>> >indymedia-Ambazonia. I?m also active on imc-Africa working group and have
>> >been involved before in imc-Germany, imc-process and of course new-imc.
>> >I see from your application that your IMC is a huge project involving
>> >activists
>> >from Uganda to Ethiopia and as far South as DR Congo. And five years of
>> >outreach is definitely along time. Yet as you know Indymedia though being a
>> >very exciting adventure   requires a lot of vigor and efforts for us to
>> attain
>> >our goal of community empowerment from a media standpoint.
>> >
>> >The diversity of the make-up of your group as well as the diversity of the
>> >outreach efforts as reported in your application does response to a lot
>> of the
>> >concerns that some people do have about new IMC groups. But the foremost
>> >concern that lots of imc activists still have is about the 
>> sustainability of
>> >IMCs as well as them really getting active in their communities and getting
>> >their communities involved instead of being an elite group 
>> reporting for the
>> >community, which is what we are trying to fight against; - ?to make 
>> everyone
>> >be the media?. This means working even harder than you have done this
>> far but
>> >it will also mean a lot of fun and new experiences as you get 
>> active in this
>> >global movement to revolutionaries media making. Indymedia is 
>> present in all
>> >continents and by lots of indications the biggest voluntary organization
>> >in the
>> >world.
>> >Though you?ve been into out reach long I just wish to make assurance double
>> >sure that you ( as a group) are set to roll as a full member of the
>> indymedia
>> >network, by asking that you take a moment and look at the following
>> >document if
>> >you have not yet done so.
>> >http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImc
>> >
>> >One think that will be good for the New-IMC working group is for you to
>> give a
>> >feel as to how your imc-group is functioning this far. Apart from your five
>> >year out reach to groups; do you have meetings together with all the people
>> >from all these countries meeting in one country?, how regular are such
>> >meetings?
>> >Do you hold open public meetings in all these countries?
>> >
>> >It is definitely a good idea to get a regional imc going which will cut
>> across
>> >borders networking activists from different communities with different
>> >experiences and ideas. But we do not yet have that kind of cross 
>> the borders
>> >IMCs this far, so we do not grasp the practicability of how it will 
>> function
>> >like an active group. What we do have are regional IMCs which are made
>> >from the
>> >cooperation of local imcs to better improve on their individual local
>> >groups and
>> >their work in the region:
>> >Examples include Oceanic IMC and IMC Eastern Mediterranean (I 
>> think) or even
>> >IMC-Africa which was intended to help cooperation and sharing of
>> resources and
>> >experiences amongst African IMCs. In that case it may not be a bad idea
>> >for you
>> >guys to have the various groups in the various countries who can meet
>> >easily and
>> >coordinate activities more easily to form individual local IMCs, and
>> then have
>> >all of these local imcs develop a tight cooperation modeled along the
>> model of
>> >oceanic that brings together imcs from; adelaide, aotearoa, 
>> brisbane, burma,
>> >darwin, jakarta, melbourne, manila, perth, qc, sydney and tokelau. But
>> knowing
>> >the very different conditions in East Africa it may be that one may have to
>> >start from a Big IMC-East Africa which will then help the growth of
>> local IMCs
>> >in the region. If there is anybody that knows that better, that person
>> should
>> >be you (IMC-East Africa), so you will in the end of the day have the
>> final say
>> >on what is best for the group(s).  By the way there is an IMC-Kenya 
>> which is
>> >also in East Africa. It will surely be a good idea for you to hook up with
>> >them
>> >(Oloo: newkenya at riseup.net, Kenyan at africamail.com, John: jonbwak at
>> >yahoo.com Telephone: 254 720 79 23 90. Grace: gracewaita at yahoo.co.in
>> >Telphone :254 733 825 416 ).
>> >
>> >After filling the Application as you already did, and continuing with your
>> >organizing as you have been doing, the next step is for you (As a group) to
>> >response to the membership criteria one point after the other. Do not get
>> >worried if you cannot answer all the questions precisely. Your answers are
>> >just
>> >to help new-imc be able to evaluate how far you have come with your
>> organizing
>> >process. Here are the points:
>> >http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
>> >Respond by stating the stand of your local group to each of the points.
>> >
>> >  To help other activists around the world get a feel for activity
>> within your
>> >imc you can demand for an indymedia mailing list. Then other activists can
>> >check your lists archives to see what kind of discussions are going on
>> in your
>> >group. If you want a mailing list please write back to new-imc to say
>> you need
>> >a mailing list (do not forget to copy me).
>> >I see that your website (http://www.alluta.org ) is already quiet 
>> active and
>> >getting hands on reporting the elections emergency.
>> >  Good luck and looking forward to having you as a full member of the
>> > Independent
>> >Media Center Network (Indymedia).
>> >Sphinx.
>> >
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