[Imc-africa] imc kenya website- patronizing and authoritarian??

[Zoe Sullivan]

Thanks, Jay, for offering some calm in the storm.

Zoe

We are the ones we have waited for.



>From: Jay <idiot at jaysand.com>
>Reply-To: African IMCs and the imc project in 
>Africa<imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org>
>To: African IMCs and the imc project in Africa 
><imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] imc kenya website- patronizing 
>and	authoritarian??
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:36:11 -0500
>
>Hi Sphinx, Grace,
>
>I'm sorry to see this heated exchange in the midst of so much
>positive, harmonious work we've all been doing.  Tempers seem to be
>flaring as pressure mounts.  I want to remind everyone, as Oloo said
>in a recent mail, that we're all in this together even though we may
>do things that really may anger each other (and sometimes very
>legitimately).
>
>E-mail stinks as a way to have an argument, especially when time is
>short and people have pressing complaints with one another that
>involve hurt feelings.  I think we've been doing a tremendous job of
>working together through what has  been a pretty intense couple
>months, despite having to use e-mail for almost all of our communication.
>
>So, what I'm saying is, I know this may sound new-agey, and hopefully
>not patronizing (the word of the day :-), but everyone who needs to
>take a breath, take a breath and let's keep doing great stuff.
>
>Jay
>
>At 1/10/2007, you wrote:
> >Patronizing and authoritarian?? These are exactly the kinds of words I 
>take
> >serious offense with.
> >
> > > We would like to note in passing that some of the comments coming
> > > from friends and comrades like Sphinx have bordered on the
> > > patronizing and authoritarian. Our understanding of Indymedia concept
> > > is a network of INDEPENDENT centres that work in harmony as well as
> > > autonomy. I was certainly taken aback when Oloo shared with me a
> > > message from Sphinx demanding imperiously why our site has not been
> > > updated for ages. Please folks, let us treat each other as comrades
> > > in the same fight working for the same broad goals rather than these
> > > unneccessarily divisive  dichotomies.
> >http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-africa/2007-January/0107-l8.html
> >
> >
> >First of all I did NOT IMPERIOUSLY DEMAND WHY "YOUR" SITE HAS NOT BEEN 
>UPDATED
> >FOR AGES.
> >I simply in asking for information on administrative access to the site
> >pointed
> >out the fact that there is NOT a single feature on the site (purpose for
> >administrative access to indymedia websites) and there is NOT a single 
>FEATURE
> >till NOW.
> >What you obviously do not know is that this is the ONLY website with an
> >indymedia.org domain name without a feature.
> >Another thing you do not know is that Blicero was NOT suppose to give out 
>that
> >domain name without indymedia-Kenya going through the entire new-imc 
>process,
> >which they have not done till today and which would have not created this
> >situation of a site with that domain name and no feature.
> >And yet you still do not know that I AM ONE OF THE FOUNDERS and 
>supporters of
> >indymedia Kenya. I Introduced John to indymedia while he was in a trip to
> >Germany and supported and help with the application both in explaining 
>the
> >details and in helping the application in New-IMC. And in helping Kenya
> >get two
> >slots for the first Regional Indymedia Conference in Dakar. All of that 
>was
> >obviously not "Patronizing and authoritarian".
> >
> >I do not know what upset you about that email. If it was the point about 
>there
> >not being a feature on the indy-Kenya site or it was my complaining
> >against the
> >WSF organizers, which complain I went to a great length to put mildly my 
>anger
> >at the waste they where causing us to bear. We have people like Ange
> >and others
> >not being able to make it to the event because we could not raise enough 
>money
> >to buy their tickets, while the WSF folks are causing us to loss more 
>than 750
> >Euros to reschedule the tickets of the African delegates, because they 
>(WSF)
> >treated their(African delegates) clearance letter with relative
> >lightheartedness.  That is not talking about the amount of personal money 
>I
> >spent in phone calls to them (WSF). This, when I know that for ALL the 
>other
> >social forums the groups working on visas did the work to make sure 
>African
> >delegates do not get this third class treatment they are getting from the
> >Kenyan event, and even organizing funds for tickets for some delegates.
> >And you
> >do not want me to complain?? And you immediately go for the words 
>"Patronizing
> >and authoritarian"???.
> >That, Grace is pretty SAD.
> >Valentine
> >
> >
> >Quoting Grace Waita <gracewaita at yahoo.co.in>:
> >
> > > Anna et al:
> > >
> > > Thanks for all those incredible offers of support. We would certainly
> > > need any kind of solidarity. Some of the techies who pledged to
> > > support the site fell by the way side and Oloo who used to do a lot
> > > of uploading of info is up to his neck with WSF coordination stuff.
> > >
> > > Blicero really worked hard to help set up Indymedia Kenya two and a
> > > half years ago- kudos to you comrade.
> > >
> > > We would like to note in passing that some of the comments coming
> > > from friends and comrades like Sphinx have bordered on the
> > > patronizing and authoritarian. Our understanding of Indymedia concept
> > > is a network of INDEPENDENT centres that work in harmony as well as
> > > autonomy. I was certainly taken aback when Oloo shared with me a
> > > message from Sphinx demanding imperiously why our site has not been
> > > updated for ages. Please folks, let us treat each other as comrades
> > > in the same fight working for the same broad goals rather than these
> > > unneccessarily divisive  dichotomies.
> > >
> > > Some good news: maybe we will be able to bring some people for the
> > > suggested html workshops so that we can beef up our local presence on
> > > the ground.
> > >
> > > On a different note: we were thrilled: John, Oloo and I to meet once
> > > again with Fabian that I had first encountered in Dakar in March 2004
> > > and Andy who were all meeting for the first time. As I write these
> > > lines, John is at the airport picking someone else up. And he started
> > > early collecting the Ugandan friends.
> > >
> > > Grace
> >
> >
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