[Imc-africa] [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Visa clearence letter delegates Mali/Nigeria]

Fri Jan 12 11:29:23 PST 2007

salut
je pense qu'on ne se comprend pas on est petit reseaus qui fait tout pour
que ses delegues puissent assiter au fsm et avec peu de moyen. Si on   nous
avait prevenues sur le site qu'il fallait on  s'y serait pris il y'a trois
mois le manque de communication est evident.
On ne peux pas parler de racisme ni d'autoritarisme et si le fsm qu'il nous
doit rien il se trompe car nous avons notre engagemnt personnel  à les
informes de notre arrive et c'est eux  mêmes qui se sont onvestis de cette
mission.
On ne peut traiter nos camarades de racistes et nous de moutons sans avoir
de reel explications. Si vous voulez nous explique le forum en grece c'est
bien jolie mais nous aussi on a des camarades qui n'y sont pas partie.
Un monde libre sembl etre une utopie. Et j'aimerais dire aux personnes qui
se permettent de gros mots que la courtoisie se vend pas au marche.
Nous faison pour etre courtois mais cella pourrait avoir c'est limite si
envoyer des mils et synonimes d'insulter.
Nous perdons en argent et en credibilite car nous faisons tout chaque fois
pour avoir des relations correcte avec les gens du fsm nous ne sommes pas
des mendiants.
C'est questions aurait due etre regler car il est impossible que des
activistes qui pensent en un monde  meilleur ne puissent se reunnir dans
des  endroits prevues plus dun an à  l'avance.
J'ai pas apprecie les insultes de mouton ou autres car faudrait pas croire
qu'on cherche des bergers ce serait mal nous connaitre.
Les mots ont des sens très profond surtout quand un africain se fait traites
de moutons par un autre africains pour montre qu'il à le pouvoir et
j'aimerais preciser que si je suis le mouton la personne qui l'a ecrite nest
certainement pas le berger alors faut reflechir avant de parler sur cella
très chalereusement bonne nuit.

On 1/12/07, Fabian Frenzel <fab at in-no.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] Fwd: Visa clearence letter delegates
> Mali/Nigeria
> From:    "Njoki Njoroge Njehu" <daughtersofmumbi at gmail.com>
> Date:    Fri, January 12, 2007 5:25 am
> To:      "Oduor Ongwen" <ongwen at sodnet.or.ke>
> Cc:      "Onyango Oloo" <onyango.oloo at sodnet.or.ke>
>          fab at in-no.org
>          "Edward Oyugi" <Edward at sodnet.or.ke>
>          okarajulius at yahoo.com
>          "Wahu Kaara" <wahukaara at yahoo.com>
>          njoki at igc.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oduor,
>
> I couldn't agree more with you more!
>
> Getting a Brazilian visa with a Kenyan passport in the US was no picnic.
> After many visits to the Brazilian embassy and no less than 4 different
> letters of 'recommendation', I finally got a visa for WSF 2002, even
> though
> I had two visas to Brazil in 2001!
>
> No organ or person in the 2007 WSF Organizing bears responsibility and
> Fabian owes an apology.
>
> We have much to do and this is an unnecessary distraction and unjust
> expectation - among other things.
>
>
> Pamberi ne Chimurenga!
>
> Njoki
>
>
>
> On 1/12/07, Oduor Ongwen <ongwen at sodnet.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> >  Dear Fabian,
> >
> >
> >
> > We are in receipt of your letter of complaint. We do appreciate that
> there
> > was delay in your visa processing. We, however, note with concern and
> > disquiet your patronizing – almost racist – tone. We will not accept
> to be
> > lectured and bullied. We are marking 200 years of the abolition of
> slavery
> > this year and 50 years since Ghana's independence! We don't have any
> more
> > European colony in this continent!
> >
> >
> >
> > Visa processing is primarily the responsibility of the participants.
> This
> > information has been on the web for I don't know how long. However,
> given
> > the situation concerning some countries (no less than 10), *we offered
> to
> > help*. You will note that referred countries normally require
> applications
> > *three mon*ths in advance. We have  helped ease entry for these
> comrades.
> > *It has never been the responsibility of WSF organizers to go applying
> for
> > and processing visas for participant*s. Please respect us even if you
> have
> > your prejudices about Africans. You talk about our African comrades
> whose
> > participation you are facilitating as if they are a flock of sheep you
> are
> > shepherding. This is the kind of attitude we least expect in WSF!
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way I have attended two editions of the European Social Forum and
> I
> > cannot narrate to you the humiliation I had to go through in the
> Embassies
> > here in Nairobi. It might amuse you to know that the organizing
> committee
> > from Nairobi was refused visas to attend European Social Forum in Athens
> in
> > May this year! Please remove those specs so that you can clearly see the
> > logs in our eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally, I want to put it on record that we bear no responsibility.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oduor Ong'wen
> >
> > For WSF 2007 Organizing Committee
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Onyango Oloo [mailto:onyango.oloo at sodnet.or.ke]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:41 PM
> > *To:* fab at in-no.org
> > *Cc:* 'Edward Oyugi'; 'Oduor Ongwen'; okarajulius at yahoo.com; 'Wahu
> Kaara';
> > njoki at igc.org; onyango.oloo at sodnet.or.ke
> > *Subject:* FW: [Imc-africa] Fwd: Visa clearence letter delegates
> > Mali/Nigeria
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Fabian:
> >
> >
> >
> > The concerns you raise below are issues that need collective reflection,
> > input and action.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am therefore forwarding the same to some key members of our
> Secretariat.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will update you once I get concrete feedback from my colleagues
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > Onyango Oloo
> > National Coordinator
> >
> > Kenya Social Forum @WSF 2007 Secretariat
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* fabian [mailto:fab at in-no.org]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 PM
> > *To:* Onyango Oloo
> > *Cc:* African IMCs and the imc project in Africa
> > *Subject:* Re: [Imc-africa] Fwd: Visa clearence letter delegates
> > Mali/Nigeria
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Oloo,
> > thanks for taking our concerns seriously and forward them to the
> > organizing team. I am aware that everybody is trying to do their best
> and I
> > am not intenting to issue any individual accusations in this matter. Our
> > Visa Letter Applications are now on the way and I am hoping that our
> > delegates can travel as planned.
> > I have to insist never the less to discuss with the WSF office the
> > question of responsability.
> > Indeed as I pointed out in the previous email, the changing of tickets
> > that became necessary because the visa clearance letters weren't
> processed
> > in time put our network 700 Euros back. This equals 63.000 Shilling. To
> > your information we are a very poor network, budgeting on the edge and
> as
> > things stand the unnecessary loss of this 700 Euros threatens our
> ability to
> > provide the essential travel support for several African members of our
> > network. This is really dramatic as the WSF is taking place in Africa
> also
> > to increase the number of African participants in the WSF.
> > We are convinced that the responsibilty for the loss of this money
> should
> > be accepeted by the WSF office and we hope that in solidarity with the
> > African delegates of our network who want to come and particiapte in the
> > WSF, the office will express its goodwill in refunding us the loss of
> the
> > 700 Euros for the changing of tickets.
> > I also like to remind you in this regard, that we issues an emergency
> > request to the WSF for solidarity funds to help us with travel
> arrangements.
> > I am happy to discuss these things with you and hope we find a mutually
> > agreeable solution.
> > You can reach me on my mobile 0728282947.
> >
> > I am hoping for your quick response in this matter
> > with best regards
> > Fabian
> >
> >
> > Am 06.01.2007 um 11:02 schrieb Onyango Oloo:
> >
> >
> >  *Dear John, Fabian and the Indymedia team:*
> >
> > I am forwarding your concerns to the relevant people in the  WSF 2007
> > Secretariat for immediate action.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > *Onyango Oloo*
> > *National Coordinator*
> > *Kenya** Social Forum @ WSF 2007 Secretariat*
> > *Nairobi*
> >
> >
> > *From:* John Bwakali [mailto:jonbwak at yahoo.com]
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:36 PM
> > *To:* African IMCs and the imc project in Africa
> > *Cc:* Onyango.Oloo at sodnet.or.ke
> > *Subject:* Re: [Imc-africa] Fwd: Visa clearence letter delegates
> > Mali/Nigeria
> >
> > Fabian and All,
> > I also share your frustration Fabian and have copied Onyango Oloo the
> WSF
> > coordinator for Kenya and colleague in Indymedia this mail. It appears
> that
> > Matunga forgot about our people. Even though they are onverwhelmed, the
> > primary purpose of WSF is people and people participation should then be
> the
> > priority. I tried calling you yesterday Fabian but couldn't get through.
> >
> > Is it possible to call the specific airlline/s? Are they flying Kenya
> > airways? If so, maybe I could drive to the airport here in Nairobi and
> talk
> > to Kenya Airways as I think I can get them there? Just send me an SMS if
> > their tickets are for Kenya Airways. I know you already sent this info
> > sometimes back but am not able at this time to dig for it. In the
> meantime,
> > could colleagues from these countries please text me so that I can call
> them
> > back and discuss this further?
> >
> > John
> >
> > *fabian <fab at in-no.org>* wrote:
> >
> > john,
> > I sent this email beneath on the second of January, then it was enough
> > time to change flights....
> > why don't matunga read his emails...
> > it is absolutely impossible to change flights now, on a weekend, with
> > one of them sceduled for Sunday!
> > The WSF organization office is responsible for this situation, they
> > have to come up with a solution.
> > They have to refund our money. I am really angry, our delegates have
> > started sending them the scanned passport three weeks ago. They
> > apparently never arrived. Why would you have an email adress and then
> > don't get emails?
> > The information that money is needed for this came only the end of
> > december. There is not sufficiant information on the website.
> > and the most rediculous thing is: Our delegates are African delegates,
> > the whole purpose to do the WSF in Africa is to get more Africans to
> > the WSF, these people at the WSF office are supposed to co-operate and
> > not be a mere pain and obstacle to people who try to get things done.
> > They are probably even paid to fuck up like this!
> >
> > anyone any ideas what to do?
> > Fabian
> >
> >
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