[Imc-africa] [New-imc] imc-kenya and new-imc process

[Jay]

Hi Toya,

At 1/17/2007, toya wrote:
>hi jay,
>we have been having discussions bout it on communication chat 
>channel on irc,  and the discussion inst about imc kenya having pass 
>the process or not, in fact they have passed a couple of years ago. 
>the discussion is why a collective who passed the process a couple 
>of years ago dont have any acesses to their web site during all this 
>time and didnt came to the network to fix this problem.

>i tell this because any indymedia when is down the local collecitve 
>starts to complain about it in the first moment...ppl go to the chat 
>(#tech) or the emails lists to find out ssup...

Looking back through the new-imc list archives for February 2005 
(http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2005-February/date.html), 
there seems to have been some confusion around the Kenya IMC's 
new-imc process.  They did seem to fill out all the information but 
there may not have been the same kind of thorough communication with 
and about their collective as generally happens with new-imcs.  For 
example, it seems as if they went through the process without having 
a working public e-mail list, which is not unheard of but 
unusual.  After they were welcomed to the network they never really 
seemed to get going, and I can't find if there was any follow-up to 
ask them if they needed more help.

>imc kenya have been up and the last time i look the website not a 
>single features have been published..the newswire is running ppl 
>publishing on it..but nothing else....
>i dont think this is a case of formality...is a case of wondering 
>what is going on with the local collective..can be that they dont 
>know how to contact the global tech ppl? can be that they are not 
>organized to maintain the website (for that at least in brasil when 
>a collective see themselve this way they ask for a new process..u ca 
>see this with imc italy for instance, because the process help the 
>collective get their stuff together... )
>i particulary dont understand how projects and all this work have 
>beeing going on with a collective that never had access to their 
>admin website and never said nothing bout it...
>we are having this debate because other times ppl have set up imcs 
>because of events or protest...imc volunteers already used to imc 
>work set up the web site helping local groups to pass trhought the 
>process or whatever it is to get the site, so they have a place to 
>publish the stuff from the event or protest..then they go home the 
>ppl from the local area are left there without the coverage 
>exitement of an event or a protest...ended up dispersing and the web 
>site dying..is sad but india is like this now..
>the website was set up for the world social forum for india 
>...brasil is hosting it..now we are keeping the website only for 
>navegation with the open published lock cuz there is no collective 
>in india to keep the site maintanance and update the features......
>for many times this have happen and because of this ppl have decided 
>to create the events sites like : indymedia.org/event (or in this 
>case indymedia.org/wsf)

I think if Kenya.indymedia.org didn't already exist, and if there 
wasn't a renewed collective in Nairobi that iniatiated most of the 
the local logistics for this convergence, we probably would have 
suggested using something like indymedia.org/wsf.  Since the domain 
is already there, and since there are currently active indymedia 
organizers who live in Nairobi, I think using Kenya.indymedia.org in 
this instance makes sense.

>i believe this would be the best way to go and to help the kids in 
>kenya to get their stuff together i would suggest to the volunteers 
>who are going there to explain how indymedia network works....where 
>to look when u have a problem and help them get their website themselves....
>if someone does this for them next time will be this person 
>avaliable to do it again? is better for the ppl to learn how to do 
>things themselves because next time (since indymedia is all 
>vulunteers and so on) the person who helped them might be away or 
>something and not be able to do it..and what they will do if they 
>dont know where to look or where to ask etc?

Absolutely.  There has been talk on the imc-africa list about 
prioritizing just that, making sure the Kenya IMC learns how to 
manage its own site, post features and communicate on its own with 
the network after the World Social Forum.  I certainly hope that 
works.  The problem until today was that the tech team in Nairobi, 
currently composed of both visitors who have come for the WSF and 
Kenyans who are part of the IMC, didn't have access to the site to 
use at a teaching tool.

Jay

>ciao
>toya
>
>
>
>Em Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:43:07AM -0500, Jay escreveu:
> > Hi Imc-Africa, with a cc to new-imc,
> >
> > Danielle and anyone else who is working to get the admin passwords
> > for the kenya.indymedia.org site, if in your travels anyone is
> > reluctant to give out the passwords for fear of IMC Kenya having not
> > passed through the new-imc process, you can let them know that while
> > the particulars of their going through the process are a bit cloudy,
> > as you point out, there was a welcome message in 2005:
> > 
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2005-February/0225-ak.html.
> >
> > This doesn't mean they made it through all the parts of the new-imc
> > process -- no one can remember them doing it -- but while the new-imc
> > working group may ask for them to update their new-imc information
> > after the World Social Forum and make their presence in the network
> > more official, we don't want to hold up good work in Kenya for that
> > formality.
> >
> > So, let's get Kenya.indymedia.org off the ground, use it wisely and
> > well.  During the WSF those who are more familiar with the network
> > should work with people in Kenya to strengthen their collective so it
> > will be sustainable long after the forum ends.  After everyone in
> > Kenya has had a chance to rest after the forum we'll work with the
> > collective to get all their information in order.
> >
> > Jay
> >
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