[Imc-africa] my report online
Jay
idiot at jaysand.com
Thu Mar 22 14:24:47 PDT 2007
Hi Kola,
Thanks for your response and sorry I always take a long time to
reply! (thanks also to John and Peter for recent very encouraging
e-mails offering support for the Nigeria IMC and encouragement to
communicate.)
At 3/2/2007, you wrote:
>Hello Jay,
>
>Thanks for taking time out to reply or respond to the issue raised
>, its nice to hear from you again.
>
>Well i must say that i am not aware of any previous intention to
>have an information centrre in nigeria at any point in time.But all
>thesame,if there has ever been such move i think the real intention
>of the proposed intention was possibly not known or rather was not stated.
Do you know someone named Winters Negbenebor? He was one of the
primary organizers of a group that tried to form an IMC in Nigeria
over a couple year period, from 2001 to 2004 or so. I believe he was
a Nigerian based in the UK though he did spend time in Nigeria. I
haven't been in touch with him at all lately. I'll e-mail you his
e-mail address. He was a fairly good communicator for a while and
was the one who, if I remember correctly, sent around a proposal for
imc-finance to support a nigerian infocenter. If I can find that
proposal I'll send it along.
There also used to be an "imc-nigeria at indymedia.org" e-mail list. It
doesn't seem to be available through the http://lists.indymedia.org
page right now, but maybe the archives still exist
somewhere. Someone on the "listwork at lists.indymedia.org" working
group may be able to help dig it up.
>
>In this case,our real intention is to have a viable and uptodate
>information centre that will serve the entire nation of over 140
>million inhabitants.
That's really ambitious, and quite a wonderful ambition!
One of the things to think about, though, is that so much of the best
organizing in Indymedia -- even in super-tech-drenched countries in
Europe, Australia and North America -- happens face to face. The
new-imc group almost always encourages IMCs to form city-based
collectives rather than country-based collectives because that really
leads to solid orgainzations, for a lot of reasons. I'm sure this
has been discussed, but if there's a core group in one Nigerian city,
maybe that group would take the first step by starting as a
city-based collective, having face to face meetings, dealing with
local issues, etc. If there were a Lagos.indymedia.org, for example,
people from all over Nigeria would still be able to use it to post
nigerian news, but it also wouldn't claim to speak for people outside
of the face-to-face geographic area. If there are active organizers
all over a country working together, the "country.indymedia.org" name
may make sense, but even in many European countries like the UK, the
"country-based IMC" is really a network of local IMCs. So that may
be something to talk about in the local collective, to figure out
what makes the most sense for you.
>
>An adage in Africa says that" a child that wants to be lifted will
>first indicate by raising its arms"
>
:)
>Now the intention is coming from very few of us who are
>already inputing some of our own financies into the project.
>
>And if i get you right,yes sustainability? You can be very sure that
>with the centre in place we shall sustain it and make it run effectively well.
>
>We are right now proposing to have a media trainning for would- be
>broadcasters and those already on the job.
>
>We are gathered already and are ready to make an impact and so we
>will only require the basics to get us operating the information centre.
>
>The centre will equally serve as a press centre by which both
>corporate and individuals could have press conferences with the
>assurance of being given a global coverage.
>
>Tha centre will seek at its operation for affiliation with some of
>the known broadcast trainning institutions both within nigeria and
>outside patricularly trainning on the global perspective of the media practice.
>
>This is an area where you guys could fully get involved by trainning
>on every aspect of the media.
>
>The centre will develop more income generating activities that will
>keep it going particularly the fact that some of us are already
>financially involved with the securing of the temporary office to
>serve this purpose and would not have been dedicated if we are not
>sure of its sustainability.
>
>We would appreciate if you would trust us at least to get it started
>while we assure that we will keep it running and would not become an
>elephant project eventually.
>We will priortise trainning as one of the cadinal objectives of the centre.
>
>Waiting to hear from you next.
>
>Thanks
This definitely sounds like a really exciting idea. I haven't been
through andy's financial report yet to get an idea of what money is
left. My personal thought would be that if there is any imc-finance
money left we should be really mindful about letting imc-finance know
that before we decide to put it toward anything else. I think that's
just a matter of respect and good reporting. However, let's say
there are a couple thousand dollars left. I see nothing stopping us
from sending our report to imc-finance with a matching proposal of
how the imc-africa list would propose spending that money.
In any case, the relationship between funder/fundee is quite a
different one than the solidarity/support relationship we're able to
develop on the imc-africa list. If we get to a point of having to
make a financial proposal to imc-finance, or even decide on where to
suggest imc-finance put money ourselves, coming up with really
specific details about budgets, timeframes, etc. etc. will be key. I
definitely think putting network-wide money toward an information
center in Nigeria would be worthwhile and would be really excited
about working with you to give feedback (though of course from my
very limited non-african perspective) on your budget and other kind
of sustainability plans that would make for a great funding proposal.
In the context of the imc-africa list, I think the important
questions are less about the financial questions but how, in all
ways, including but not limited to supporting this information center
idea, we can help support independent media organizing in
nigeria. So the important questions on this list would be more to do
with how many people are involved in forming the information center,
is it something that you're planning to do as a function of a Nigeria
IMC when there is a thriving nigeria IMC collective or as its own
project that you hope to inspire the formation of a strong Nigeria
IMC collective, etc.
Kola, does this all make sense? Please don't be shy about asking me
to elaborate if my words are cloudy. :)))
Jay
>its me Kola
>
>Jay <idiot at jaysand.com> wrote:
>Hi Kola,
>
>Thanks for writing, and for your dedication.
>
>I'm not sure if you're aware of it, though you probably are, but
>several years ago, when there was a Nigeria IMC group that
>functioned a bit, a proposal went around the network for the network
>to help fund some kind of information center or computer work in
>Nigeria. My memory of it is a bit fuzzy, and I don't think it ever
>made it to any kind of "official" imc-finance process.
>
>If I remember correctly, it was a pretty expensive proposal, but the
>main question wasn't the expense but sustainability. The network
>may be able to work together to raise money for one-time events or
>purchases, but the main trick would be to develop a scheme for
>making the Nigeria self-sustainable. How do you concive an
>information center keeping itself going after any kind of initial
>burst of funds? Also, since an information center is physically
>located in one place and Nigeria is huge, how do you think people
>from all over the country could participate in and benefit from the
>Nigeria IMC if they're not located near the information center?
>
>I'm sure there are a lot of creative ways to approach this, we just
>have to open our minds to all the possibilities.
>Jay
>
>At 2/23/2007, you wrote:
>>Hello Jay,
>>
>>Thanks for your soul lifting mail,its highly encouraging.
>>
>>I should give you the Nigerian picture vis-a-vis the freedom of the
>>individual,free and democractic media and the abuse of power.
>>
>>It is much more a terrible situation,and of course you know well
>>that Nigeria is the most populous black nation in the world.
>>
>>We have over 150 radio and television stations but are not free and
>>only dance the tune of the piper ,government. If indymedia is at
>>all looking for a place to work ,i think it is in Nigeria.
>>
>>Basically as part of our need as a forming imc,we need the freedom
>>to information through the internet.
>>
>>This implies that we need a site where we could always post our
>>reports and articles and again to be connected to all imc members
>>all over the world.
>>
>>While guys were in Nairobi ,as part of my contributions to the
>>discussions going on, i nwrote that in Nigeria we already have an
>>office tagged , inbformation centre where members could come in
>>and get information via the net.
>>
>>We need help in this regard to be able to make the place
>>functional,we need computers and other internet connection aids.
>>
>>Jay,you know,i have always being in touch with hannah of the
>>prometheus radio project because we are equally proposing to have a
>>radio station which will promote the ideals of indymedia,just
>>as was recently done in Nairobi.
>>
>>]I told hannah that even if we would have to pay a subsidised
>>amount to get the transmitter and other inputs,we would not mind.
>>
>>Right now we just need a functional information centre to serve the
>>entire members and since we have got a place for this ,the other
>>neccessities are Pc's and other accessories.
>>
>>So my sugestion is that if truelly there are left overs
>>particularly from the money meant for those of us the african
>>countries that could not attend the convergence,these left overs
>>could be used to at least set up a functional information centres
>>for us to be able to be connected always.
>>
>>Thanks for the little time i've taken out of your time to engage you .
>>
>>Talk to you and others very soon.
>>
>>Kola
>>
>>Jay <idiot at jaysand.com> wrote:
>>Hi Kola,
>>Great to hear from you! I'm confident that people on this list are
>>committed to helping your IMC in Nigeria thrive.
>>Each time there has been an IMC-Africa convergence, despite all the
>>problems we've had with financing/organization and race/class
>>dynamics, more infrastructure has come together inside Africa to
>>support African IMCs and more attention and enthusiastic passion
>>has come from people outside Africa toward helping African IMCs
>>build capacity and do great work.
>>What kind of help/advice/support do you think the Nigeria IMC needs
>>to become the best IMC it can be?
>>Jay
>>At 2/22/2007, you wrote:
>>>Hello Fabian and all,
>>>
>>>Great to talk to you all again, i responded to one of Fabians
>>>mails recently,uptill now no one has commented on the issue that was raised.
>>>
>>>I will just want to know the fate of those of us the five african
>>>countries that could not attend the wsf and the convergence?
>>>
>>>
>>>Are we to just be left incommunicado? Without any encouragement to
>>>grow in the ideals and objectives of trhe indymedia,this is rather unfortunate.
>>>
>>>I will still expect that people respond to issues raised in my
>>>last mail,particularly Fabian and others.
>>>
>>>Its me kola from Forming imc Nigeria
>>>
>>>fabian <fab at in-no.org> wrote:
>>>Hello everybody,
>>>I put my WSF report online at
>>>http://en.wiki.in-no.org/WSF2007Report
>>>I haven't sent it by email, because it is too long. I wrote it mainly
>>>as a report for Umverteilen, our main donor for the project, but I
>>>haven't sent it too them as yet. Please comment on it if you find the
>>>time.
>>>Cheers
>>>fabian
>>>
>>>
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