[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives or solutions?

Tue Jun 17 16:05:57 PDT 2008

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>> I say we reduce it to an option to just between alternatives and solutions
>> and vote again, winner takes all :)
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>> 2008/6/17 Josh Marcus jmarcus at avencia.com>:
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>>> I just wanted to clarify that I was only suggesting "s.indymedia.org" as
>>> a
>>> abbreviation.  Also: "our.solutions.indymedia.org" could work as well,
>>> if
>>> we wanted a hint towards the collaborative aspect of it.  --j
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>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Josh Marcus jmarcus at avencia.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> hey folks,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to comment that I found this email extremely convincing.
>>>> One of the things that I have always liked about the concept behind
>>>> this
>>>> project is that it promises an indymedia project that is not defined in
>>>> opposition to the-powers-that-be but instead promises to be a positive
>>>> center in its own right.  "alternatives" does inspire the question
>>>> "what are
>>>> we opposed to?" instead of a world like "solutions" which inspires the
>>>> question "what are we trying to fix" or "what problems are we trying to
>>>> solve?"  and the answer becomes an interesting list of problems from
>>>> global
>>>> issues ('the energy crisis' 'the housing crisis' etc.) to local ones,
>>>> like
>>>> living sustainably in ones own home, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I change my "vote" to "solutions.indymedia.org" ... we can call it "
>>>> s.indymedia.org" with a cool logo based on the letter S, which is a
>>>> pretty letter.
>>>>
>>>> --j
>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Sheri Herndon sheri at speakeasy.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> i want to first off express my gratitude to all those who have been
>>>>> diligently engaged on this project.  i have been following the
>>>>> conversations, just not able to jump in and lend my voice as i would
>>>>> like.  but it is present to me and connects with a number of
>>>>> projects i am engaged in.  i feel like this project is one of the most
>>>>> hopeful ones around.
>>>>>
>>>>> i don't think alternatives is the right word.  back in the 90's when
>>>>> we
>>>>> shifted from alternative media to independent media, it was more
>>>>> than just a different choice of word.  as jay names below, it begs the
>>>>> question, an alternative to what?  the quote at the bottom of my
>>>>> email is from buckminster fuller and it's about if you want to change
>>>>> things, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete.  so
>>>>> for me solutions works better for me.  this project is not about an
>>>>> alternative to anything.  it's about building a new model.  i also
>>>>> agree with josef that change doesn't capture it.  change for the good
>>>>> of
>>>>> all or the good of a few.  there's been plenty of change in the
>>>>> world and it hasn't always been good.  there's a value neutral in the
>>>>> word change.  i'd like us to make clear with the name, as a kind of
>>>>> shared intention we all engage in....fundamental change expresses
>>>>> that.
>>>>>  but still fundamental change toward what?
>>>>>
>>>>> for the good of all?
>>>>>
>>>>> positive solutions?
>>>>> change for good?
>>>>>
>>>>> it may be enough to have fundamental change and there's a clarifying
>>>>> "by
>>>>> line" on the front page which clarifies the name, or solutions,
>>>>> and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this
>>>>> work...
>>>>>
>>>>> global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.
>>>>>
>>>>> we are in the time of the great turning, earth community, a maturing
>>>>> species which is waking up and the more swiftly the stories from a
>>>>> nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> love
>>>>> sheri
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon Jun 16  6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates"  sent:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I like solutions more than alternatives for the reasons Jay mentions
>>>>> below which echo what strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-
>>>>> alt/official-domain-and-title+8890https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Josef.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >2008/6/3 Jay jay at fundamentalchange.net>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The top three choices for our site's name are
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Alternatives.indymedia.org, Solutions.indymedia.org and
>>>>> Change.indymedia.org.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and
>>>>> Solutions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the
>>>>> >
>>>>> >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --
>>>>> >
>>>>> >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >systems.  Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been
>>>>> >
>>>>> >calling ourselves forever.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs
>>>>> >
>>>>> >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires
>>>>> >
>>>>> >explanation.  Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information
>>>>> >
>>>>> >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to
>>>>> >
>>>>> >just be marginal outside ideas?  Are we not confident they can one
>>>>> >
>>>>> >day become mainstream?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to
>>>>> >
>>>>> >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions
>>>>> >
>>>>> >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are
>>>>> >
>>>>> >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas
>>>>> >
>>>>> >and options.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could
>>>>> >
>>>>> >mean so many things.  My e-mail is from a domain I own called
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to
>>>>> >
>>>>> >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real
>>>>> >
>>>>> >mouthful for the name of anything.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >So, I'm not sure.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jay
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >--
>>>>> >Josef Davies-Coates
>>>>> >07974 88 88 95
>>>>> >http://uniteddiversity.com
>>>>> >Together We Have Everything
>>>>>
>>>>>
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