[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change

Tue Jun 17 14:42:28 PDT 2008

I just wanted to clarify that I was only suggesting "s.indymedia.org" as a
abbreviation.  Also: "our.solutions.indymedia.org" could work as well, if we
wanted a hint towards the collaborative aspect of it.  --j

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Josh Marcus <jmarcus at avencia.com> wrote:

> hey folks,
>
> I just wanted to comment that I found this email extremely convincing.  One
> of the things that I have always liked about the concept behind this project
> is that it promises an indymedia project that is not defined in opposition
> to the-powers-that-be but instead promises to be a positive center in its
> own right.  "alternatives" does inspire the question "what are we opposed
> to?" instead of a world like "solutions" which inspires the question "what
> are we trying to fix" or "what problems are we trying to solve?"  and the
> answer becomes an interesting list of problems from global issues ('the
> energy crisis' 'the housing crisis' etc.) to local ones, like living
> sustainably in ones own home, etc.
>
> I change my "vote" to "solutions.indymedia.org" ... we can call it "
> s.indymedia.org" with a cool logo based on the letter S, which is a pretty
> letter.
>
> --j
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Sheri Herndon <sheri at speakeasy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> hi friends,
>>
>> i want to first off express my gratitude to all those who have been
>> diligently engaged on this project.  i have been following the
>> conversations, just not able to jump in and lend my voice as i would like.
>>  but it is present to me and connects with a number of
>> projects i am engaged in.  i feel like this project is one of the most
>> hopeful ones around.
>>
>> i don't think alternatives is the right word.  back in the 90's when we
>> shifted from alternative media to independent media, it was more
>> than just a different choice of word.  as jay names below, it begs the
>> question, an alternative to what?  the quote at the bottom of my
>> email is from buckminster fuller and it's about if you want to change
>> things, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete.  so
>> for me solutions works better for me.  this project is not about an
>> alternative to anything.  it's about building a new model.  i also
>> agree with josef that change doesn't capture it.  change for the good of
>> all or the good of a few.  there's been plenty of change in the
>> world and it hasn't always been good.  there's a value neutral in the word
>> change.  i'd like us to make clear with the name, as a kind of
>> shared intention we all engage in....fundamental change expresses that.
>>  but still fundamental change toward what?
>>
>> for the good of all?
>>
>> positive solutions?
>> change for good?
>>
>> it may be enough to have fundamental change and there's a clarifying "by
>> line" on the front page which clarifies the name, or solutions,
>> and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this work...
>>
>> global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.
>>
>> we are in the time of the great turning, earth community, a maturing
>> species which is waking up and the more swiftly the stories from a
>> nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.
>>
>> love
>> sheri
>>
>> On Mon Jun 16  6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates"  sent:
>>
>> >I like solutions more than alternatives for the reasons Jay mentions
>> below which echo what strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-
>> alt/official-domain-and-title+8890<https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890>
>> >
>> >
>> >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)
>> >
>> >Josef.
>> >
>> >
>> >2008/6/3 Jay <jay at fundamentalchange.net>:
>> >
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The top three choices for our site's name are
>> >
>> >Alternatives.indymedia.org, Solutions.indymedia.org and
>> Change.indymedia.org.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and Solutions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the
>> >
>> >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --
>> >
>> >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.
>> >
>> >systems.  Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been
>> >
>> >calling ourselves forever.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs
>> >
>> >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires
>> >
>> >explanation.  Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information
>> >
>> >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to
>> >
>> >just be marginal outside ideas?  Are we not confident they can one
>> >
>> >day become mainstream?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to
>> >
>> >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions
>> >
>> >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are
>> >
>> >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas
>> >
>> >and options.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could
>> >
>> >mean so many things.  My e-mail is from a domain I own called
>> >
>> >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to
>> >
>> >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real
>> >
>> >mouthful for the name of anything.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >So, I'm not sure.
>> >
>> >Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >--
>> >Josef Davies-Coates
>> >07974 88 88 95
>> >http://uniteddiversity.com
>> >Together We Have Everything
>>
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