[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives or solutions?

Tue Jun 17 15:59:59 PDT 2008

Alternatives: Michael

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Solutions:


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> I say we reduce it to an option to just between alternatives and solutions
> and vote again, winner takes all :)
>
>
> 2008/6/17 Josh Marcus <jmarcus at avencia.com>:
>
>> I just wanted to clarify that I was only suggesting "s.indymedia.org" as
>> a
>> abbreviation.  Also: "our.solutions.indymedia.org" could work as well,
>> if
>> we wanted a hint towards the collaborative aspect of it.  --j
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Josh Marcus <jmarcus at avencia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hey folks,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to comment that I found this email extremely convincing.
>>> One of the things that I have always liked about the concept behind
>>> this
>>> project is that it promises an indymedia project that is not defined in
>>> opposition to the-powers-that-be but instead promises to be a positive
>>> center in its own right.  "alternatives" does inspire the question
>>> "what are
>>> we opposed to?" instead of a world like "solutions" which inspires the
>>> question "what are we trying to fix" or "what problems are we trying to
>>> solve?"  and the answer becomes an interesting list of problems from
>>> global
>>> issues ('the energy crisis' 'the housing crisis' etc.) to local ones,
>>> like
>>> living sustainably in ones own home, etc.
>>>
>>> I change my "vote" to "solutions.indymedia.org" ... we can call it "
>>> s.indymedia.org" with a cool logo based on the letter S, which is a
>>> pretty letter.
>>>
>>> --j
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Sheri Herndon <sheri at speakeasy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi friends,
>>>>
>>>> i want to first off express my gratitude to all those who have been
>>>> diligently engaged on this project.  i have been following the
>>>> conversations, just not able to jump in and lend my voice as i would
>>>> like.  but it is present to me and connects with a number of
>>>> projects i am engaged in.  i feel like this project is one of the most
>>>> hopeful ones around.
>>>>
>>>> i don't think alternatives is the right word.  back in the 90's when
>>>> we
>>>> shifted from alternative media to independent media, it was more
>>>> than just a different choice of word.  as jay names below, it begs the
>>>> question, an alternative to what?  the quote at the bottom of my
>>>> email is from buckminster fuller and it's about if you want to change
>>>> things, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete.  so
>>>> for me solutions works better for me.  this project is not about an
>>>> alternative to anything.  it's about building a new model.  i also
>>>> agree with josef that change doesn't capture it.  change for the good
>>>> of
>>>> all or the good of a few.  there's been plenty of change in the
>>>> world and it hasn't always been good.  there's a value neutral in the
>>>> word change.  i'd like us to make clear with the name, as a kind of
>>>> shared intention we all engage in....fundamental change expresses
>>>> that.
>>>>  but still fundamental change toward what?
>>>>
>>>> for the good of all?
>>>>
>>>> positive solutions?
>>>> change for good?
>>>>
>>>> it may be enough to have fundamental change and there's a clarifying
>>>> "by
>>>> line" on the front page which clarifies the name, or solutions,
>>>> and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this
>>>> work...
>>>>
>>>> global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.
>>>>
>>>> we are in the time of the great turning, earth community, a maturing
>>>> species which is waking up and the more swiftly the stories from a
>>>> nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.
>>>>
>>>> love
>>>> sheri
>>>>
>>>> On Mon Jun 16  6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates"  sent:
>>>>
>>>> >I like solutions more than alternatives for the reasons Jay mentions
>>>> below which echo what strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-
>>>> alt/official-domain-and-title+8890<https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)
>>>> >
>>>> >Josef.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >2008/6/3 Jay <jay at fundamentalchange.net>:
>>>> >
>>>> >Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >The top three choices for our site's name are
>>>> >
>>>> >Alternatives.indymedia.org, Solutions.indymedia.org and
>>>> Change.indymedia.org.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and
>>>> Solutions.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the
>>>> >
>>>> >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --
>>>> >
>>>> >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >systems.  Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been
>>>> >
>>>> >calling ourselves forever.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs
>>>> >
>>>> >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires
>>>> >
>>>> >explanation.  Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information
>>>> >
>>>> >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to
>>>> >
>>>> >just be marginal outside ideas?  Are we not confident they can one
>>>> >
>>>> >day become mainstream?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to
>>>> >
>>>> >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions
>>>> >
>>>> >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are
>>>> >
>>>> >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas
>>>> >
>>>> >and options.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could
>>>> >
>>>> >mean so many things.  My e-mail is from a domain I own called
>>>> >
>>>> >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to
>>>> >
>>>> >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real
>>>> >
>>>> >mouthful for the name of anything.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >So, I'm not sure.
>>>> >
>>>> >Jay
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >Josef Davies-Coates
>>>> >07974 88 88 95
>>>> >http://uniteddiversity.com
>>>> >Together We Have Everything
>>>>
>>>>
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