[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change

Tue Jun 17 15:15:49 PDT 2008

I say we reduce it to an option to just between alternatives and solutions
and vote again, winner takes all :)


2008/6/17 Josh Marcus <jmarcus at avencia.com>:

> I just wanted to clarify that I was only suggesting "s.indymedia.org" as a
> abbreviation.  Also: "our.solutions.indymedia.org" could work as well, if
> we wanted a hint towards the collaborative aspect of it.  --j
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Josh Marcus <jmarcus at avencia.com> wrote:
>
>> hey folks,
>>
>> I just wanted to comment that I found this email extremely convincing.
>> One of the things that I have always liked about the concept behind this
>> project is that it promises an indymedia project that is not defined in
>> opposition to the-powers-that-be but instead promises to be a positive
>> center in its own right.  "alternatives" does inspire the question "what are
>> we opposed to?" instead of a world like "solutions" which inspires the
>> question "what are we trying to fix" or "what problems are we trying to
>> solve?"  and the answer becomes an interesting list of problems from global
>> issues ('the energy crisis' 'the housing crisis' etc.) to local ones, like
>> living sustainably in ones own home, etc.
>>
>> I change my "vote" to "solutions.indymedia.org" ... we can call it "
>> s.indymedia.org" with a cool logo based on the letter S, which is a
>> pretty letter.
>>
>> --j
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Sheri Herndon <sheri at speakeasy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi friends,
>>>
>>> i want to first off express my gratitude to all those who have been
>>> diligently engaged on this project.  i have been following the
>>> conversations, just not able to jump in and lend my voice as i would
>>> like.  but it is present to me and connects with a number of
>>> projects i am engaged in.  i feel like this project is one of the most
>>> hopeful ones around.
>>>
>>> i don't think alternatives is the right word.  back in the 90's when we
>>> shifted from alternative media to independent media, it was more
>>> than just a different choice of word.  as jay names below, it begs the
>>> question, an alternative to what?  the quote at the bottom of my
>>> email is from buckminster fuller and it's about if you want to change
>>> things, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete.  so
>>> for me solutions works better for me.  this project is not about an
>>> alternative to anything.  it's about building a new model.  i also
>>> agree with josef that change doesn't capture it.  change for the good of
>>> all or the good of a few.  there's been plenty of change in the
>>> world and it hasn't always been good.  there's a value neutral in the
>>> word change.  i'd like us to make clear with the name, as a kind of
>>> shared intention we all engage in....fundamental change expresses that.
>>>  but still fundamental change toward what?
>>>
>>> for the good of all?
>>>
>>> positive solutions?
>>> change for good?
>>>
>>> it may be enough to have fundamental change and there's a clarifying "by
>>> line" on the front page which clarifies the name, or solutions,
>>> and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this work...
>>>
>>> global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.
>>>
>>> we are in the time of the great turning, earth community, a maturing
>>> species which is waking up and the more swiftly the stories from a
>>> nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.
>>>
>>> love
>>> sheri
>>>
>>> On Mon Jun 16  6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates"  sent:
>>>
>>> >I like solutions more than alternatives for the reasons Jay mentions
>>> below which echo what strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-
>>> alt/official-domain-and-title+8890<https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)
>>> >
>>> >Josef.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2008/6/3 Jay <jay at fundamentalchange.net>:
>>> >
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >The top three choices for our site's name are
>>> >
>>> >Alternatives.indymedia.org, Solutions.indymedia.org and
>>> Change.indymedia.org.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and
>>> Solutions.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the
>>> >
>>> >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --
>>> >
>>> >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.
>>> >
>>> >systems.  Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been
>>> >
>>> >calling ourselves forever.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs
>>> >
>>> >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires
>>> >
>>> >explanation.  Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information
>>> >
>>> >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to
>>> >
>>> >just be marginal outside ideas?  Are we not confident they can one
>>> >
>>> >day become mainstream?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to
>>> >
>>> >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions
>>> >
>>> >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are
>>> >
>>> >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas
>>> >
>>> >and options.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could
>>> >
>>> >mean so many things.  My e-mail is from a domain I own called
>>> >
>>> >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to
>>> >
>>> >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real
>>> >
>>> >mouthful for the name of anything.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >So, I'm not sure.
>>> >
>>> >Jay
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >Josef Davies-Coates
>>> >07974 88 88 95
>>> >http://uniteddiversity.com
>>> >Together We Have Everything
>>>
>>>
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>>
>


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Josef Davies-Coates
07974 88 88 95
http://uniteddiversity.com
Together We Have Everything
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