[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change

[Jay]

Hi everyone,

I'm so glad this name conversation is finally 
happening in earnest.  I have no idea how to 
reach a conclusion!  I think clarifying our 
alternatives/solutions preferences does makes 
sense, so let's try that.  Even then, we may end 
up split.  We are going to have to come to a 
conclusion soon, within the next few weeks, so we 
can start using the demo site (how are the 
sketches coming Nick? :)))  So we can't keep 
going in circles forever, but maybe we need just a couple more circles.

To be honest, after thinking about this for so 
long myself, I still don't know what I'd 
prefer.  I still lean toward Solutions, but only 
slightly.  Maybe adding a word in front of Change 
or Solutions does make sense, like Sheri hints at 
below (positive solutions?  fundamental 
change?).  That would still be a mouthful.  I 
think we're going to end up with some kind of 
subtitle, one way for another.  (If the 
traditional indymedia tag line is "be the media!" 
maybe ours can be just as active: "make change!")

Gosh, I don't know.  I don't think we have to go 
back to square one, but we still are in a place 
where it's okay to brainstorm.  As long as new 
thoughts and ideas are coming out and the 
conversation is going somewhere, I think we're at least making progress.

baffled,
Jay


At 6/17/2008, you wrote:
>hi friends,
>
>i want to first off express my gratitude to all 
>those who have been diligently engaged on this 
>project.  i have been following the
>conversations, just not able to jump in and lend 
>my voice as i would like.  but it is present to 
>me and connects with a number of
>projects i am engaged in.  i feel like this 
>project is one of the most hopeful ones around.
>
>i don't think alternatives is the right 
>word.  back in the 90's when we shifted from 
>alternative media to independent media, it was more
>than just a different choice of word.  as jay 
>names below, it begs the question, an 
>alternative to what?  the quote at the bottom of my
>email is from buckminster fuller and it's about 
>if you want to change things, create a new model 
>that makes the old model obsolete.  so
>for me solutions works better for me.  this 
>project is not about an alternative to 
>anything.  it's about building a new model.  i also
>agree with josef that change doesn't capture 
>it.  change for the good of all or the good of a 
>few.  there's been plenty of change in the
>world and it hasn't always been good.  there's a 
>value neutral in the word change.  i'd like us 
>to make clear with the name, as a kind of
>shared intention we all engage in....fundamental 
>change expresses that.  but still fundamental change toward what?
>
>for the good of all?
>
>positive solutions?
>change for good?
>
>it may be enough to have fundamental change and 
>there's a clarifying "by line" on the front page 
>which clarifies the name, or solutions,
>and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this work...
>
>global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.
>
>we are in the time of the great turning, earth 
>community, a maturing species which is waking up 
>and the more swiftly the stories from a
>nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.
>
>love
>sheri
>
>On Mon Jun 16  6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates"  sent:
>
> >I like solutions more than alternatives for 
> the reasons Jay mentions below which echo what 
> strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-
>alt/official-domain-and-title+8890
> >
> >
> >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)
> >
> >Josef.
> >
> >
> >2008/6/3 Jay <jay at fundamentalchange.net>:
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >The top three choices for our site's name are
> >
> >Alternatives.indymedia.org, 
> Solutions.indymedia.org and Change.indymedia.org.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and Solutions.
> >
> >
> >
> >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the
> >
> >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --
> >
> >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.
> >
> >systems. Â Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been
> >
> >calling ourselves forever.
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs
> >
> >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires
> >
> >explanation. Â Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information
> >
> >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to
> >
> >just be marginal outside ideas? Â Are we not confident they can one
> >
> >day become mainstream?
> >
> >
> >
> >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to
> >
> >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions
> >
> >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are
> >
> >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas
> >
> >and options.
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could
> >
> >mean so many things. Â My e-mail is from a domain I own called
> >
> >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to
> >
> >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real
> >
> >mouthful for the name of anything.
> >
> >
> >
> >So, I'm not sure.
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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