[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change....

[Dave Fregon]

On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 20:06 -0700, Sheri Herndon wrote:
> dave,
> 
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> you make a compelling argument for the name alternatives, in terms of
> the people who will gravitate toward this and what it will say to
> them.  i love this recognition that we want to engage more than just
> the indymedia audiences, and also people who are hungry for something
> but don't yet even know that this 'alternative' exists.
> 
> 
> thanks.  you've almost convinced me :)

I actually think all the names are great 8-} and I do think it important
that it is thought out, and everyone has their say over things, it's not
a waste of time, and I do see Mr Liberalls basic point of getting to the
task at hand, but really think that it is worth considering what is
finer points in approaching the public, especially on the web.

it can mean the difference between never showing up in a search, or
being at the top every time.

I think the names do represent a lot of what the site is about, and it's
worth discussing is all, making whatever is chosen worth it.

Saying that .. if I am looking for alternative gardening, alternatives
to pesticides, alternative heating methods, alternatives to the banks,
or alternative fuels .. what am I going to type into the search engine?

;)

Dave

> 
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> i could vote for alternatives.
> 
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> love
> sheri
> 
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Dave Fregon wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 14:45 -0700, Mr.Liberal II wrote:
> > > Forget about arguing about what to name the project. What's more
> > >   important is MAKING the news!!! Below is link of top 30 On-Line
> > > News
> > >   sources the public goes to. Indymedia.org is NOT listed.
> > 
> > 
> > How very very US centric, very US print media oriented, and totally
> > wrong :P
> > 
> > 
> > Don't tell me the chinese for instance, have US news sources as they
> > most popular news sites. Maybe try some various sources rather than
> > just
> > US ones, which personally I find extremely biased and just plain
> > wrong.
> > 
> > 
> > And they don't take into account language, or any other countries
> > for
> > one. Or the fact that the most popular news sources on the internet
> > are
> > actually those sites that collate various news outlets and blogs
> > etc,
> > such as google and yahoo news, and are _very_ country specific.
> > 
> > 
> > Besides that, Indymedia is very different. If you look at the list,
> > you
> > will find basically all these publications were print publications
> > before being online, and that is in fact the focus of the article.
> > They
> > made a HUGE amount of money offline and still do, and it's the
> > advertising monies they make offline, that funds their online
> > abilities.
> > 
> > 
> > It's the money and historical and current exposure of these
> > publications, and the fact the whole article is about _newspaper_
> > web
> > sites, is why indymedia is not listed.
> > 
> > 
> > > More important
> > >   to cover/make independant news stories for the public,and not
> > > the name
> > >   or your project.
> > > http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think indymedia should be 'making' news that's what FOX
> > does.
> > And I do think a name is important when your avenue of making your
> > source popular is only via online methods.
> > 
> > 
> > Peoples attention is short online, if you can get a message across
> > in a
> > name, you give yourself a leg up, however small.
> > 
> > 
> > Saying that, my concerns are that indymedia tends to 'market' to
> > indymedia, not the average joe and jenny blow. 
> > 
> > 
> > A catchy simple name that makes sense goes a long way toward
> > bridging
> > that.
> > 
> > 
> > I think alternatives is great, after seeing what people have had to
> > say.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Dave Fregon
> > 
> > 
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> “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. 
> To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model
> obsolete.”  
> – R. Buckminster Fuller
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