[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives vs. solutions -- please vote by July 5

Thu Jun 26 14:13:03 PDT 2008

Good point. I voted a month ago :).
mV

> At 6/25/2008, Josef Davies-Coates wrote:
>>Yes, lets try to summarise the opinions that have already been
>>expressed, share them, and set-up a vote between alternatives and
>>solutions, getting as many people not on this list as possible to
>>participate. Sounds like a good plan to me :)
>>
>>I just hope it results in a clear winner! :P
>>
>>Josef.
>
> I'm usually one to favor opening up conversations to as many people
> as possible, so the thought of putting the issue on the
> imc-communication list is somewhat appealing, but I also feel that we
> have so many thoughtful people on this list already who have been
> thinking about this project for a long time and have come up with
> good pros and cons of each of the names.  I'm afraid that opening up
> the discussion so broadly may result in our having to do a lot of
> explaining what we're doing and not result in much conclusive feedback.
>
> I'd rather we try the internal poll -- alternatives vs. solutions --
> and see if there's a clear preference.  This seems to be set up at
> "https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890" (go
> the page then click "edit my vote.")  When you vote your picture will
> appear on the list at right, so we can see who voted so far and who
> hasn't.  Let's set a July 5 deadline.  **PLEASE VOTE BY JULY
> 5.**  Then, if we're really deadlocked, or if we come to a favorite
> but we still feel really unsatisfied by it, we can decide if we
> should do something else.
>
> In the meantime, there really is substantial progress being made
> toward getting our site up.  Nick has put together a great rough
> design.  Here are the initial site sketches
> (https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/initial-site-sketches+9583 -- click on
> the attachments at right) and here is the mockup home page:
> https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/mockup-home-page.  Please
> comment.  Soon we will start working on implementation, which means
> we'll take the basic design ideas and nudge them into the PhillyIMC's
> drupal code to see how we make make it work.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>>2008/6/25 <<mailto:lancaster-imc at riseup.net>lancaster-imc at riseup.net>:
>>Yes, communications would be a good choice. I am on that list and so is
>>Jay. Jay, do you want to put our naming situation to the communication's
>>list for some outside input? Perhaps some other global lists as well?
>>mV
>>
>>
>> > i like the idea of inviting in other voices.  it's an inclusive move
>> and
>> > will give us a sense of the greater ecosystem
>> > of indymedia...
>> >
>> > what about sending it to the imc-communication list?  or imc-research?
>> > i'd love to hear some of their thoughts, even
>> > if the list is all quiet, there are people who care very much about
>> all of
>> > this work and the next evolution of
>> > indymedia, etc.
>> >
>> > it would also help to bring the larger community into our process.
>> >
>> > love
>> > sheri
>> >
>> > On Tue Jun 24 16:45 ,
>> <mailto:lancaster-imc at riseup.net>lancaster-imc at riseup.net sent:
>> >
>> >>Perhaps this question of either alternatives or solutions should be
>> taken
>> >>to a different list that can act as an arbitrator. As I can seen it,
>> it
>> >> is
>> >>just about straight down the middle, which means we are at an impasse.
>> I
>> >>stand strong with my reasons for why alternatives makes sense as the
>> >> name,
>> >>but I am beginning to feel an outside survey might be an option at
>> this
>> >>point.
>> >>
>> >>mV
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> 2008/6/19 Sheri Herndon
>> <mailto:sheri at speakeasy.net>sheri at speakeasy.net>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> we also can change the name should the perfect name come to us
>> later.
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> zaadz did with gaia...not that that's a perfect name either.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Zaadz got brought out by <http://gaiam.com>gaiam.com hence the
>> name change.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for solutions sounding elitist/vanguardist I can see where you're
>> >>> coming
>> >>> from but I totally disagree.
>> >>>
>> >>> It annoys me when so many people who DO have knowledge about real
>> >>> solutions
>> >>> (I've seen their bookshelves) constantly say "I don't have all the
>> >>> solutions" in an attempt to be open and inclusive (this, I believe,
>> is
>> >>> out
>> >>> of our deepest fear, as Ghandi put "that we are powerful beyond
>> >>> measure").
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, of course they don't have ALL the solutions; there are no one
>> >>> solution
>> >>> fits all but we DO have LOTS of solutions to current global problems
>> >>> and
>> >>> that is what I believe the site should be focussed on.
>> >>>
>> >>> We are not alternative. As David Korten says:
>> >>>
>> >>> "We are not representatives of an alternative fringe minority. We
>> are
>> >>> the
>> >>> cutting edge of a national and global supermajority and it is
>> >>> appropriate
>> >>> for us to speak with a clear and confident voice"
>> >>>
>> >>> Some examples of solutions:
>> >>>
>> >>> Problem -> Solution
>> >>> Corporate tyranny -> Co-operatives
>> >>> Private Land Ownership -> Community Land Trusts
>> >>> Debt-based monetary system -> Mutual credit systems
>> >>> Microsoft monopoly -> Linux
>> >>> Bankrupt farmers -> Community Supported Agriculture
>> >>> GM Monoculture -> Organic farming
>> >>> Oil dependency -> stop wasting so much energy and harness a mix of
>> >>> renewables
>> >>> etc. etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> You see, lots of very well established solutions DO exist.
>> >>>
>> >>> Surely our job is to share and spread them far and wide to inspire
>> >>> radical
>> >>> change?
>> >>>
>> >>> Worldchanging.com is right:
>> >>>
>> >>> "real solutions already exist for building the future we want. it's
>> >>> just a
>> >>> matter of grabbing hold and getting moving"
>> >>>
>> >>> Josef.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Josef Davies-Coates
>> >>> 07974 88 88 95
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