[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives vs. solutions -- please vote by July 5

Thu Jun 26 01:24:20 PDT 2008

At 6/25/2008, Josef Davies-Coates wrote:
>Yes, lets try to summarise the opinions that have already been 
>expressed, share them, and set-up a vote between alternatives and 
>solutions, getting as many people not on this list as possible to 
>participate. Sounds like a good plan to me :)
>
>I just hope it results in a clear winner! :P
>
>Josef.

I'm usually one to favor opening up conversations to as many people 
as possible, so the thought of putting the issue on the 
imc-communication list is somewhat appealing, but I also feel that we 
have so many thoughtful people on this list already who have been 
thinking about this project for a long time and have come up with 
good pros and cons of each of the names.  I'm afraid that opening up 
the discussion so broadly may result in our having to do a lot of 
explaining what we're doing and not result in much conclusive feedback.

I'd rather we try the internal poll -- alternatives vs. solutions -- 
and see if there's a clear preference.  This seems to be set up at 
"https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/official-domain-and-title+8890" (go 
the page then click "edit my vote.")  When you vote your picture will 
appear on the list at right, so we can see who voted so far and who 
hasn't.  Let's set a July 5 deadline.  **PLEASE VOTE BY JULY 
5.**  Then, if we're really deadlocked, or if we come to a favorite 
but we still feel really unsatisfied by it, we can decide if we 
should do something else.

In the meantime, there really is substantial progress being made 
toward getting our site up.  Nick has put together a great rough 
design.  Here are the initial site sketches 
(https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/initial-site-sketches+9583 -- click on 
the attachments at right) and here is the mockup home page: 
https://we.riseup.net/imc-alt/mockup-home-page.  Please 
comment.  Soon we will start working on implementation, which means 
we'll take the basic design ideas and nudge them into the PhillyIMC's 
drupal code to see how we make make it work.

Jay

>2008/6/25 <<mailto:lancaster-imc at riseup.net>lancaster-imc at riseup.net>:
>Yes, communications would be a good choice. I am on that list and so is
>Jay. Jay, do you want to put our naming situation to the communication's
>list for some outside input? Perhaps some other global lists as well?
>mV
>
>
> > i like the idea of inviting in other voices.  it's an inclusive move and
> > will give us a sense of the greater ecosystem
> > of indymedia...
> >
> > what about sending it to the imc-communication list?  or imc-research?
> > i'd love to hear some of their thoughts, even
> > if the list is all quiet, there are people who care very much about all of
> > this work and the next evolution of
> > indymedia, etc.
> >
> > it would also help to bring the larger community into our process.
> >
> > love
> > sheri
> >
> > On Tue Jun 24 16:45 , 
> <mailto:lancaster-imc at riseup.net>lancaster-imc at riseup.net sent:
> >
> >>Perhaps this question of either alternatives or solutions should be taken
> >>to a different list that can act as an arbitrator. As I can seen it, it
> >> is
> >>just about straight down the middle, which means we are at an impasse. I
> >>stand strong with my reasons for why alternatives makes sense as the
> >> name,
> >>but I am beginning to feel an outside survey might be an option at this
> >>point.
> >>
> >>mV
> >>
> >>
> >>> 2008/6/19 Sheri Herndon <mailto:sheri at speakeasy.net>sheri at speakeasy.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> we also can change the name should the perfect name come to us later.
> >>>> like
> >>>> zaadz did with gaia...not that that's a perfect name either.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Zaadz got brought out by <http://gaiam.com>gaiam.com hence the 
> name change.
> >>>
> >>> As for solutions sounding elitist/vanguardist I can see where you're
> >>> coming
> >>> from but I totally disagree.
> >>>
> >>> It annoys me when so many people who DO have knowledge about real
> >>> solutions
> >>> (I've seen their bookshelves) constantly say "I don't have all the
> >>> solutions" in an attempt to be open and inclusive (this, I believe, is
> >>> out
> >>> of our deepest fear, as Ghandi put "that we are powerful beyond
> >>> measure").
> >>>
> >>> Well, of course they don't have ALL the solutions; there are no one
> >>> solution
> >>> fits all but we DO have LOTS of solutions to current global problems
> >>> and
> >>> that is what I believe the site should be focussed on.
> >>>
> >>> We are not alternative. As David Korten says:
> >>>
> >>> "We are not representatives of an alternative fringe minority. We are
> >>> the
> >>> cutting edge of a national and global supermajority and it is
> >>> appropriate
> >>> for us to speak with a clear and confident voice"
> >>>
> >>> Some examples of solutions:
> >>>
> >>> Problem -> Solution
> >>> Corporate tyranny -> Co-operatives
> >>> Private Land Ownership -> Community Land Trusts
> >>> Debt-based monetary system -> Mutual credit systems
> >>> Microsoft monopoly -> Linux
> >>> Bankrupt farmers -> Community Supported Agriculture
> >>> GM Monoculture -> Organic farming
> >>> Oil dependency -> stop wasting so much energy and harness a mix of
> >>> renewables
> >>> etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>> You see, lots of very well established solutions DO exist.
> >>>
> >>> Surely our job is to share and spread them far and wide to inspire
> >>> radical
> >>> change?
> >>>
> >>> Worldchanging.com is right:
> >>>
> >>> "real solutions already exist for building the future we want. it's
> >>> just a
> >>> matter of grabbing hold and getting moving"
> >>>
> >>> Josef.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Josef Davies-Coates
> >>> 07974 88 88 95
> >>> <http://uniteddiversity.com>http://uniteddiversity.com
> >>> Together We Have Everything
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