[Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change

[Chris Kennett]

Well done for getting this far all.
 
Just thought Id add more confusion:
 
How about; Time for change?
chris 
 > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:36:15 -0400> To: imc-alternatives at lists.indymedia.org> From: jay at fundamentalchange.net> Subject: Re: [Imc-alternatives] NAMES: alternatives/solutions/change> > Hi everyone,> > I'm so glad this name conversation is finally > happening in earnest. I have no idea how to > reach a conclusion! I think clarifying our > alternatives/solutions preferences does makes > sense, so let's try that. Even then, we may end > up split. We are going to have to come to a > conclusion soon, within the next few weeks, so we > can start using the demo site (how are the > sketches coming Nick? :))) So we can't keep > going in circles forever, but maybe we need just a couple more circles.> > To be honest, after thinking about this for so > long myself, I still don't know what I'd > prefer. I still lean toward Solutions, but only > slightly. Maybe adding a word in front of Change > or Solutions does make sense, like Sheri hints at > below (positive solutions? fundamental > change?). That would still be a mouthful. I > think we're going to end up with some kind of > subtitle, one way for another. (If the > traditional indymedia tag line is "be the media!" > maybe ours can be just as active: "make change!")> > Gosh, I don't know. I don't think we have to go > back to square one, but we still are in a place > where it's okay to brainstorm. As long as new > thoughts and ideas are coming out and the > conversation is going somewhere, I think we're at least making progress.> > baffled,> Jay> > > At 6/17/2008, you wrote:> >hi friends,> >> >i want to first off express my gratitude to all > >those who have been diligently engaged on this > >project. i have been following the> >conversations, just not able to jump in and lend > >my voice as i would like. but it is present to > >me and connects with a number of> >projects i am engaged in. i feel like this > >project is one of the most hopeful ones around.> >> >i don't think alternatives is the right > >word. back in the 90's when we shifted from > >alternative media to independent media, it was more> >than just a different choice of word. as jay > >names below, it begs the question, an > >alternative to what? the quote at the bottom of my> >email is from buckminster fuller and it's about > >if you want to change things, create a new model > >that makes the old model obsolete. so> >for me solutions works better for me. this > >project is not about an alternative to > >anything. it's about building a new model. i also> >agree with josef that change doesn't capture > >it. change for the good of all or the good of a > >few. there's been plenty of change in the> >world and it hasn't always been good. there's a > >value neutral in the word change. i'd like us > >to make clear with the name, as a kind of> >shared intention we all engage in....fundamental > >change expresses that. but still fundamental change toward what?> >> >for the good of all?> >> >positive solutions?> >change for good?> >> >it may be enough to have fundamental change and > >there's a clarifying "by line" on the front page > >which clarifies the name, or solutions,> >and then a statement which expresses what motivates us to do this work...> >> >global collective intelligence...global good, true beautiful.> >> >we are in the time of the great turning, earth > >community, a maturing species which is waking up > >and the more swiftly the stories from a> >nexus like alt.indymedia can spread, the better.> >> >love> >sheri> >> >On Mon Jun 16 6:00 , "Josef Davies-Coates" sent:> >> > >I like solutions more than alternatives for > > the reasons Jay mentions below which echo what > > strypey says here: https://we.riseup.net/imc-> >alt/official-domain-and-title+8890> > >> > >> > >I prefer Fundamental Change to Change. :)> > >> > >Josef.> > >> > >> > >2008/6/3 Jay <jay at fundamentalchange.net>:> > >> > >Hi,> > >> > >> > >> > >The top three choices for our site's name are> > >> > >Alternatives.indymedia.org, > > Solutions.indymedia.org and Change.indymedia.org.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >I've been going back and forth between liking Alternatives and Solutions.> > >> > >> > >> > >I like Alternatives because it's a general term to cover all the> > >> > >kinds of information we're going to gather on the site --> > >> > >alternatives to the current political/economic/social/health etc.> > >> > >systems. Â Plus, it's comfortable because that's what we've been> > >> > >calling ourselves forever.> > >> > >> > >> > >I'm less than 100% enthusiastic about it because Alternatives begs> > >> > >the question, "alternative to what?" which requires> > >> > >explanation. Â Plus, Alternatives seems to marginalize the information> > >> > >and also the people who are participating: do we want our ideas to> > >> > >just be marginal outside ideas? Â Are we not confident they can one> > >> > >day become mainstream?> > >> > >> > >> > >I like Solutions because that gets at what a lot of us are trying to> > >> > >do -- find solutions to the world's problms.> > >> > >> > >> > >I'm not convinced by the name because calling our site Solutions> > >> > >could infer that we're providing a list of things we believe are> > >> > >definitive solutions to problems rather than exploring a lot of ideas> > >> > >and options.> > >> > >> > >> > >I don't think I like Change because "change" seems vague and could> > >> > >mean so many things. Â My e-mail is from a domain I own called> > >> > >"FundamentalChange.net" which I think of as being more specific to> > >> > >the kind of change I work toward, but FundamentalChange is a real> > >> > >mouthful for the name of anything.> > >> > >> > >> > >So, I'm not sure.> > >> > >Jay> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________> > >> > >Imc-alternatives mailing list> > >> > >Imc-alternatives at lists.indymedia.org> > >> > >http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-alternatives> > >> > >> > >> > >--> > >Josef Davies-Coates> > >07974 88 88 95> > >http://uniteddiversity.com> > >Together We Have Everything> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >Imc-alternatives mailing list> >Imc-alternatives at lists.indymedia.org> >http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-alternatives> > _______________________________________________> Imc-alternatives mailing list> Imc-alternatives at lists.indymedia.org> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-alternatives
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