[Imc-alternatives] okay, what do we have to do to get this to happen?

[Robbt]

So far I think I'm the only person whose really stepped up and suggested 
Drupal, and I'm not much of a coder, I only know the interface 
particularly well.
I myself would be interested in learning Django & Python but have only 
done initial tutorial babysteps with no real direction or impetus.

What I think this project is lacking is a sense of direction, and 
content. I could work more on putting together the initial Drupal site 
as simply the newswire with comments.
That way if we have content producers out there they can participate, 
then we could see if the imc-cms cakePHP project is going anywhere 
and/or work to develop something
that works with a python development environment.

I think the most important thing the IMC network in general could be 
developing is a set of interlocking API's that would enable us to share 
content easier, to flag wingnut spam (not necessarily to censor it, but 
to identify it so it can be treated differently, basically I mean the 
ranting cross-posts that seem to pop up on every IMC). To create some 
kind of secure profile/publishing identity that could maintain some 
level of anonymity (ok, this might be stretching it).

Anyways, I'm not too concerned with information sharing as far as a 
technological project, the web seems to be able to propogate information 
quite easily, what I'm really interested in and why I've been interested 
in Alternatives IMC would be a global resource sharing/coordinating 
network, which I think the alternatives IMC would be in a good position 
to help experiment with or propagate. The article I wrote and posted as 
a test kind of highlights initial brainstorms I had.

I just wanted to say I'd be interested in working in whatever 
environment. I think the Drupal stuff is just there to tide us over and 
get something up and running as far as a publishing wire. We need to 
work on theming and the like.

As far as the IMC network as a whole I'd like to see us build bridges 
between sites and API's to interweave them, or maybe just standard RSS 
feed fields that can be mapped between sites. I'll be working on this 
locally using mainly Drupal but I'd like to see it work between sites 
and IMC to pioneer the building of open software in align with 
statements like the Franklin Street Statement.

Robbt

Dave Fregon wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 16:15 +0100, Josef Davies-Coates wrote:
> <snip! all good stuff.
>    
>> He said:
>>
>> "I think, if you have the choice, that python is a better programming
>> language to deal with than php, and zope more flexible in capable
>> hands than Drupal (that being said, I often choose drupal)
>>
>> If you are just trying to do stuff that Drupal does well, go with
>> Drupal. If you are trying to do stuff that requires lots of
>> customization, go with something where you can use object oriented
>> programming practices, like zope/plone, ruby on rails, django project,
>> etc
>>
>> it seemed like the ambition of your project was more towards the
>> latter (needing to go in the direction of lots of custom code)"
>>
>> Josef. "
>>
>> Josef.
>>      
>
> It's true, I'm biased ;)
>
> Zope is better, Plone 3 is better, Django is better, Python is better ..
>
> the problem is, that a lot of folk just aren't familiar with it. It's a
> very different paradigm to what a lot of php coders are used too, and a
> higher initial learning curve for stuff like zope/plone3/django.
>
> So you want to build a pyramid? do you:
>
> 1/ go with the 200 workers with a pick and shovel
>
> 2/ or go with the 2 workers with a jackhammer and bobcat
>
> :\
>
> Me, I'd probably bet on the 2 workers with superior tools in this
> instance, but they would have to work their arses off! that's the other
> problem
>
>
>