[Imc-alternatives] okay, what do we have to do to get this to happen?

[Jay]

Hi Robbt,

At 10/20/2008, you wrote:
>So far I think I'm the only person whose really stepped up and suggested
>Drupal, and I'm not much of a coder, I only know the interface
>particularly well.
>I myself would be interested in learning Django & Python but have only
>done initial tutorial babysteps with no real direction or impetus.

I've heard rumblings of other people helping with Drupal-izing but I 
guess they haven't done much of it.  Josh told me he's way busy until 
early next month but then he say he'll join in the fun.

>What I think this project is lacking is a sense of direction, and
>content. I could work more on putting together the initial Drupal site
>as simply the newswire with comments.
>That way if we have content producers out there they can participate,

I actually am pretty excited about the direction of the project, I 
just think it needs honing through actual content-posting on the 
site.  I'm very excited to start putting content up.  A lot of 
it.  Once we get the taxonomy pinned down I plan to steal some solid 
time from my schedule and post post post.  That should give us a 
foundation of information on the site.

As for the taxonomy, I muddied the waters, and my mind, by posting 
that link to the peace wheel.  Jonathan had some good points too 
about the terms restorative and transformative justice.  In a 
different e-mail I'll suggest a final taxonomy list.  (well, the 
first final one -- it will evolve.)  Then when we post to the 
Solutionswire we'll be able to put the posts into categories, which 
will help with searching for information.

>then we could see if the imc-cms cakePHP project is going anywhere
>and/or work to develop something
>that works with a python development environment.

I'm looking at this Drupal site as something necessary but relatively 
temporary on the way to our participation in the imc-cms 
architecture.  As long as we're able to take the data we put in now 
and transfer it to a later site, I see no reason why we shouldn't be 
able to start getting great content up as soon as the categories are 
worked out.

In the scenario that we're six months, nine months, a year down the 
line and a prototype of the imc-cms architecture isn't anywhere on 
the horizon, then maybe we'd talk about reconfiguring this site for 
the long run, or developing a stronger one in python.


>I think the most important thing the IMC network in general could be
>developing is a set of interlocking API's that would enable us to share
>content easier, to flag wingnut spam (not necessarily to censor it, but
>to identify it so it can be treated differently, basically I mean the
>ranting cross-posts that seem to pop up on every IMC). To create some
>kind of secure profile/publishing identity that could maintain some
>level of anonymity (ok, this might be stretching it).
>
>Anyways, I'm not too concerned with information sharing as far as a
>technological project, the web seems to be able to propogate information
>quite easily, what I'm really interested in and why I've been interested
>in Alternatives IMC would be a global resource sharing/coordinating
>network, which I think the alternatives IMC would be in a good position
>to help experiment with or propagate. The article I wrote and posted as
>a test kind of highlights initial brainstorms I had.

I love the idea for SPORE. :)


>I just wanted to say I'd be interested in working in whatever
>environment. I think the Drupal stuff is just there to tide us over and
>get something up and running as far as a publishing wire. We need to
>work on theming and the like.

Exactly.  Getting a functional open publishing wire with functional 
categories beneath Nick's design will be a great start.  I'm less 
concerned about our kicking off the knowledgebase and networking 
sections right away.  First I think we should focus on content.  Then 
we'll have something to show people to inspire them to get involved 
with the essential knowelege and networking parts of the project.

Jay


>As far as the IMC network as a whole I'd like to see us build bridges
>between sites and API's to interweave them, or maybe just standard RSS
>feed fields that can be mapped between sites. I'll be working on this
>locally using mainly Drupal but I'd like to see it work between sites
>and IMC to pioneer the building of open software in align with
>statements like the Franklin Street Statement.
>
>Robbt
>
>Dave Fregon wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 16:15 +0100, Josef Davies-Coates wrote:
> > <snip! all good stuff.
> >
> >> He said:
> >>
> >> "I think, if you have the choice, that python is a better programming
> >> language to deal with than php, and zope more flexible in capable
> >> hands than Drupal (that being said, I often choose drupal)
> >>
> >> If you are just trying to do stuff that Drupal does well, go with
> >> Drupal. If you are trying to do stuff that requires lots of
> >> customization, go with something where you can use object oriented
> >> programming practices, like zope/plone, ruby on rails, django project,
> >> etc
> >>
> >> it seemed like the ambition of your project was more towards the
> >> latter (needing to go in the direction of lots of custom code)"
> >>
> >> Josef. "
> >>
> >> Josef.
> >>
> >
> > It's true, I'm biased ;)
> >
> > Zope is better, Plone 3 is better, Django is better, Python is better ..
> >
> > the problem is, that a lot of folk just aren't familiar with it. It's a
> > very different paradigm to what a lot of php coders are used too, and a
> > higher initial learning curve for stuff like zope/plone3/django.
> >
> > So you want to build a pyramid? do you:
> >
> > 1/ go with the 200 workers with a pick and shovel
> >
> > 2/ or go with the 2 workers with a jackhammer and bobcat
> >
> > :\
> >
> > Me, I'd probably bet on the 2 workers with superior tools in this
> > instance, but they would have to work their arses off! that's the other
> > problem
> >
> >
> >
>
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