[imc-auckland-video] 9/11

Fri Aug 13 13:41:15 PDT 2004

Hi Kathryn,

Hope you are well. Your post got me thinking, I know it's a long way down 
the track but how about the Anti-dote doing something special for 9/11? 
We could do a huge thing about the "other 9/11" and screen a doco about 
Salvadore Allende, and other acts of terror in Latin America perpetrated by 
the US?
Some feedback I get from younger people is that these things seem "so 
historical", but we could do a Michael Moore with some of the material. 
Sort of a US "greatest hits" kind of thing

I didn't particularly like Fahrenhiet, but I think the tabloidisation of  "our" 
viewpoint can have its place. I realise the idea of reducing different 
countries and histories and peoples in such a way may be an anathema 
to an expert in the field, but what do you think?

Quoting "Kathryn Lehman (FOA SELL)" <k.lehman at auckland.ac.nz>:

> It is interesting to read this thread from Argentina, where former
> President
> Carlos Menem has been a smiling sporty popular-populist fun guy who
> made
> people like him for more than a decade. He enriched himself and
> impoverished
> the country by following IMF mandates and sending this nation´s capital
> out
> through Bank Boston and Banco Galicia which put 50% of the people 
under
> the
> poverty line, he is also accused (Argentine Congress report) of
> supervising
> narcotrafficking and arms dealing along with murder in at least one
> case; he
> is now in Chile facing extradition for myriad charges. There is still a
> substantial portion of the population who genuinely like Menem and 
would
> put
> him back in power because his TV image allows him to appear so
> authentic.
> This level of criminal activity doesn´t happen without genuinely
> friendly
> guys smiling for the camera. 
> Kathryn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Mazur 
> To: 'Auckland Indymedia video list'
> Sent: 13/08/2004 03:11 p.m.
> Subject: RE: [imc-auckland-video] Banks thread
> 
> HI Mandy, yes, the banks/bush analogy isn't too far off
> 
> How did you get on with the leaflets I dropped off? 
> 
> Also, are you free Sun 22nd Aug at 4pm for a meeting about the doco at
> my house? 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imc-auckland-video-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
> [mailto:imc-auckland-vid eo-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of
> mandy.scott at paradise.net.nz
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:33 PM
> To: Auckland Indymedia video list
> Subject: RE: [imc-auckland-video] Banks thread
> 
> 
> My friend works at the parliamentary library, she was expecting Winston
> Peters to make her skin crawl, instead she found him so charming she
> found herself actually blushing. (shy wee librarians, ya know!) And I'm
> also thinking of that semi-leftie who made the doco about Bush's
> campaign trail, he seemed warm, funny and human.
> 
> Just because someone has charisma, doesn't stop them from being 
lying,
> fascist, bastards. Take Banksie down!
> 
> But no, you are right, a subtle and complex analysis is probably the
> way
> to go, just remember he has pissed off a lot of his natural
> constituency
> around Tamaki. 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting "Chloe Heffernan (FOA POL)" <c.heffernan at auckland.ac.nz>:
> 
> > I agree with what Kim said - you really feel unsure about how much of
> 
> > the act is put on and how much is honestly John Banks the man.
> > 
> > I also got the impression that he didn't know what to make of us: 
> > naive youngsters, earnest objective journalists, Fletcher lackies, 
> > malluable media wannabies...so his style chopped and changed a lot 
> > over the interview.
> > 
> > I think he often puts across a coherent, right wing view point, which
> 
> > I don't agree with (as I don't agree with his assumptions) but I
> think
> 
> > is valid on its own terms.
> > 
> > At other times I think his arguments are riddled with internal 
> > contradictions - as is typical of populism. Here I think we can show 
> > him hanging himself.
> > 
> > Rather than demonise his politics or the man (who is a charmer if
> ever
> 
> > there was one) - which is easy if you don't hold his assumptions
> about
> 
> > the world,
> > I think we should investigate why his style of politics are so
> > successful -
> > favourable media, populist language, his consituency vote, the left
> > splitting its vote, the electoral system, his financial backing, his
> > professional campaign
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imc-auckland-video-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
> > [mailto:imc-auckland-vid eo-bounces at lists.indymedia.org]On Behalf 
Of 
> > Kim Mazur
> > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2004 1:27 p.m.
> > To: 'Auckland Indymedia video list'
> > Subject: RE: [imc-auckland-video] Banks thread
> > 
> > 
> > Well, after yesterday's interview with him I'm left scratching my
> head
> 
> > at the enigma that IS John Banks - he is bombastic but also 
> > sickeningly positive -- his confidence and positivity leaves you 
> > stunned and makes him momentarily likeable -- you got to admire 
> > someone like that in a strange sort of way. He's a shocker - but a 
> > fascinating character. He speaks in soundbites, is repetitive,
> evasive
> 
> > sometimes, and plays on this "I'm just an uneducated man" image 
and 
> > loves to be simplistic. It seemed genuine, and that's the scary
> thing.
> 
> > I wish I knew how much was an act! This mayoral "race" is making for 
> > great drama and humour though. I don't know if I want ANY of them to 
> > be mayor.
> > 
> > I say, watch the interview we did with him. I only wish our doco was 
> > more than 25 mins. to include ALL the fascinating stuff people have 
> > been saying on camera. I haven't read those NZ Music postings yet 
but
> 
> > I can say that perhaps none of those people have met the guy or sat 
> > down with him, so they might be even more qualified to say all that 
> > stuff they are
> > if they actually did so. I'm not interested in painting him, or
> anyone
> > in the doco all black. And if we did that, would we have to also be
> > hard-hitting on the other candidates, which we weren't. We asked 
John
> > harder and more critical questions than we did Chris for instance. It
> > was an intimidating and enjoyable interview on both sides of the camp
> I
> > think. What I find fascinating is that life isn't black and white and
> > as
> > Tomachi's music from our last News media doco says "so many 
shades of
> > gray" and I hope that shows through in the doco. I'm not keen to send
> > any one up, but of course, if they hang themselves, that's another
> > thing...
> > 
> > Chloe, your take on it all?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imc-auckland-video-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
> > [mailto:imc-auckland-vid eo-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf 
Of
> 
> > Geraldene Peters
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:58 PM
> > To: imc-auckland-video at lists.indymedia.org
> > Subject: [imc-auckland-video] Banks thread
> > 
> > 
> > Hey all,
> > Thought some might be interested in this. I'm not into some of the
> > hard-core language, physical attribute assasinations, and 'venting'
> > posts, but there's interesting detail amongst the blather. Everyone
> has
> > anecdotes about JB it seems. It would be very easy for the
> documentary
> > to paint JB black - does the doco want to opt for dark grey, or
> > striations of grey. Something to think about for the meeting. Cheers,
> G
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=9436&start=1
> > 
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