[imc-baghdad] imc-baghdad mailing list

[Sheri Herndon]

fabulous summary and information.  thanks boud.  you are marvelous!
xo
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>SUMMARY
>(1) The imc-baghdad mailing list
>(1a) The imc-baghdad list exists
>(1b) clarify realistic purpose of imc-baghdad list 
>(1c) make regional locals welcome to the list
>-
>(2) reminders about new-imc and Indymedia
>(2a) Who makes the decisions: the whole network, with communication...
>(2b) Examples of why we have a process:
>(2c) An IMC is primarily a *collective* of people who live locally and 
>...
>(2d) i think that christopher's message here is reasonably 
>representative...
>-
>(3) imc-baghdad people might want to support IMC Palestine
>-
>
>
>Dear all,
>   i'm a volunteer in the new-imc working group and in IMC Poland.  As
>background, just remember that Poland is a country which sent 200
>soldiers to kill Iraqi soldiers and civilians and support the Iraq
>invasion, and is now set up to be one of the "occupying powers" in
>order to maximally exploit Iraqis, make lots of money there and
>support "neo-liberal economics" in Iraq. However, since the list is
>firing away like crazy and US supporters are full of enthusiasm, i
>thought maybe i should help in communications (someone asked me to,
>offlist, as well). i'd rather not become the new-imc "helper", 
>i think christopher is doing fine facilitation on "indymedia" issues
>on the list and it would moreover make sense that a new-imc working
>group member from the region, not living in an occupying power (albeit
>an opportunistic, powerless power like Poland), be involved. But
>i think the following are a few things that have been missed/forgotten.
>
>
>(1) The imc-baghdad mailing list
>(1a) The imc-baghdad list exists
>
>An imc-baghdad list has been created, but the suggestion made in
>the new-imc working group to make it clearly a supporters' list rather
>than a participants' list by using a name like "imc-baghdad-support" was
>ignored. However, the list exists, the supporters are using it:
>
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-baghdad
>
>
>(1b) clarify realistic purpose of imc-baghdad list 
>
>christopher, crystal, jacquie: Since the list name does not include
>"-support", could i suggest that you edit the imc-baghdad listinfo
>page in order to clearly explain to new people what the purpose of the
>list is, in order to minimise confusion?
>
>For example, something from christopher's message:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-baghdad/2003-May/000030.
>html
>
>> Couple of assumptions:
>> - the list is, if not entirely composed of, totally dominated by 
>> non-Iraqis, and people not in Iraq
>> - Iraqis will not be able ready to form an actual IMC via the new-imc 
>> process for several months
>> 
>> it seems that this list at this 
>> point is not really about organizing an Iraqi IMC but rather in 
>supporting 
>> a group of Iraqis and Independent reporters on the ground in Iraq.
>
>These few sentences would make the purpose much clearer and avoid
>discussion going around in circles when regional IMC people and
>eventually... local Iraqis get involved and wonder about these 
>questions.
>
>Other stuff could be added (e.g. a pointer to the TWiki), but the
>above is essential, IMHO.
>
>(1c) make regional locals welcome to the list
>
>Could well-intentioned activists from the US please make people from
>the region feel welcome on the list and accept that they are unlikely
>to fire away 10 emails per day or be able to sensibly respond if noone
>writes summaries? For example, blue pi from IMC Beirut and petros from
>IMC Cyprus. As an example, a 72 hour decision-making deadline
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-baghdad/2003-May/000033.
>html
>is unlikely, IMHO, to be sufficient for regional IMC people. In any
>case, this is *not* my decision, it's just an example, but you really
>ought to invite regional people to the list and find out from *them*
>what they think is a reasonable decision-making procedure. 
>
>
>(2) reminders about new-imc and Indymedia
>
>julia wrote:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-baghdad/2003-May/000041.
>html
>> I may be a lot naive on why the site can't be given an IMC address.  
>Who 
>> makes the decisions
>> 
>> There are very good reasons why the server can't be in Baghdad and 
>that i
>> s through no fault of the group.  I am quite sure.. knowing some of 
>them,
>>  that the very first chance they have it will be IMC Baghdad.    & It 
>is 
>> an open forum for publishing..
>> 
>> Perhaps someone could offer a REALLY good explanation why not.  They 
>are 
>> not a business web site either (dot com indeed)
>
>(2a) Who makes the decisions: the whole network, with communication
>and organising help from the new-imc working group. Please carefully 
>read:
>
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo
>
>(2b) Examples of why we have a process:
>- see (1a) above - lack of process leads to confusion 
>- see (1c) above - regional IMCs were not informed about the list 
>creation,
>though they clearly asked to be involved:
>
>petros (IMC Cyprus):
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-April/003744.html
>blue pi (IMC Beirut):
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-April/003764.html 
>
>(2c) An IMC is primarily a *collective* of people who live locally and 
>are part of local grassroots activism, not just a web site. It's also
>being part of a global network, not a US-centred or even Euro-centred
>network - hopefully.
>
>(2d) i think that christopher's message here is reasonably 
>representative
>of what the new-imc working group feels about organising independent
>media in Baghdad and how that relates to the network:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-baghdad/2003-May/000047.
>html
>
>
>(3) imc-baghdad people might want to support IMC Palestine
>
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-baghdad/2003-May/000021.
>html
>> Couldn't the folks with Jerusalem IMC help. Their site is dual lang 
>english
>> arabic. Beth
>
>beth does not seem to have noticed that the IMC Jerusalem website
>has been frozen for nearly 3 months. 
>
>bilal (i think) sent a call for help (sorry, i can't find it, i
>thought it was on new-imc). Of course i'm sure IMC Palestine would be
>happy to help, but i guess their server is on IMC SF and SF people
>have been too repressed to be able to help (i assume), so right now
>they need help for their *own* site.
>
>i'm sure IMC Palestine people would be delighted to have a functioning
>server once again, and i'm sure they would be supportive of the 
>Al Muajaha newspaper project and an open publishing web site which
>might eventually evolve into a tool for a local Indymedia collective.
>
>Their official contact is here:
>http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3
>imc-palestine at lists.indymedia.org
>
>Given the great enthusiasm for IMC Baghdad, it would be nice to see
>similar enthusiasm for IMC Palestine, which after all functioned
>more or less successfully for over a year. i would guess that US-based
>people might have some contact with the IMC SF people.
>
>Recommended followups to imc-baghdad at lists.indymedia.org
>
>solidarity
>boud
>
>PS: The newspaper project:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/Al-
>MuajahaIraqNewspaperDevelopmentProject-Proposal
>
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