[Imc-bigmuddy] Meeting and Big muddy Show

[Greg Wharton]

Hi everybody,
  Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting.  My wife has almost all night classes this semester so evenings are tough until summer.  It's inspiring to see interest and more important organization and dedication renewed at the space.  I look forward to being more involved beyond the radio show.  Speaking of, we will be interviewing John Walker on the radio show on Wed so please spread the word.  Talk to y'all soon!
   
  Greg   

Richard Whitney <rwhitney at ll.net> wrote:
  The meeting went well. We had general agreement that we needed to formalize 
our structure, particularly since we are going to try to function on our own 
as an association. But then Chris pointed out that he recalls that the group 
already had by-laws of some kind. Do you (or does someone) have a copy of 
the existing by-laws that you could forward to the group for review?

We're going to have another meeting next week at 6 Monday to focus mainly on 
that. Meanwhile, we are going forward with a newsletter -- deadline for 
articles is Jan. 23rd -- and we agreed on a Winter Friday Film and 
Discussion series. I will send out a separate notice on that so that I can 
copy it to some other folks for promotional purposes.

-- Rich Whitney
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Treesong" 
To: "Big Muddy IMC - Discussion" 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Imc-bigmuddy] Meeting Monday at 6 PM!


> Hello,
>
> How did the meeting go? I was delayed in getting home tonight and wasn't
> even able to make it to the tail end of the meeting. Also, sorry that I
> didn't get this email approved. Rich mentioned that it needed approving,
> but apparently when I blocked the Co-op out of my mind after work that
> day, I also blocked out my conversation with Rich about the pending
> email. In the future, I may write myself a note or some such thing.
>
> As for this issues described below, I'm curious to hear what may have
> been discussed at the meeting today. I have a lot of thoughts on this
> issue, but I'll save most of them for our next face-to-face meeting. In
> the meantime, I'll say that what Chris says resonates with me, though I
> do have some responses to bits here and there. I'd like to see us talk
> about these sorts of issues at the next meeting to see where we're at.
> I've got a lot of projects competing for my attention right now, and I'm
> going to divide my time/energy among them based on (A) how much of a
> clear and bold vision for change they have; and (B) how effective they
> seem to be at pursuing it. [I suppose Clarity times Boldness times
> Effectiveness equals My Desire to Participate.]
>
> Also, I never did reply to the email about the Space. The
> renovation/maintenance/etc sounds great. My ability to contribute to
> manual labor fluctuates like the ebb and flow of the tides, but I may be
> able to help sometimes, and I'll do my best to help in whatever other
> ways I can. I really like the detailed list that you provided, and I
> feel strongly that if we achieved most or all of the goals mentioned
> therein, it would vastly increase the Space's appeal/usefulness to the
> community (and my own personal interest in the IMC).
>
> Love and Healing,
>
> Treesong
>
> Richard Whitney wrote:
>> Hello Muddites,
>>
>> Let's meet on Monday at 6 pm to talk about all of the below, as
>> well as a Winter Friday film series, finances/bank account and other
>> items. Please try to be prompt; I'm supposed to be at a rehearsal at
>> 6:30, although I plan on being a little late to that in order to get
>> our business done.
>>
>> -- Rich Whitney
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Chris Klarer 
>> *To:* imc-bigmuddy at lists.indymedia.org
>> 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 2:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Imc-bigmuddy] Space News
>>
>> The short version:
>> I am now available most weekends (including Saturday mornings) and
>> would be more than happy to help with anything that is scheduled.
>>
>> I am sorry I kept putting off taking the trash out. I am
>> officially out of hibernation, so expect me to be more accountable
>> to the group.
>>
>> Also, if no one is opposed, I think it would be an asset to begin
>> establishing a formal structure for the IMC. It would be cool to
>> start working on that on Monday if people agree.
>>
>>
>> The long version:
>> There are a couple of things I feel need to be addressed with the
>> IMC that could make the group function in a way that would
>> probably make everyone a little more sane. There has been a
>> noticeable hesitancy on my part to get back involved in the IMC,
>> mainly because of these issues. I would normally do this over the
>> work list, but I'm not sure everyone who has been helping lately
>> is on it and this is a dialog (or a diatribe depending on whether
>> anyone responds) that needs to include them.
>>
>> The Problem:
>> The IMC has been plagued since I have been involved in the group
>> with a strange ailment that we have diagnosed a number of ways to
>> little avail. It is no one's fault who ever was or is currently
>> involved with the group. In fact, it's a testament to the will of
>> those who are still around that they haven't already succumbed to
>> the associated frustrations. We don't need to go into the details
>> here, but the gist of the underlying issue is that we were
>> mistaking various symptoms for the true disease, which is simply a
>> lack of structure and accountability. I think at one point we
>> discussed resolving this issue, but the ideas didn't come to
>> fruition. There are a lot of reasons I only recognize now
>> contributed to this, but it's not worth dwelling on any aspect of
>> them aside from what they can teach us.
>>
>> The Solution:
>> This breaks up into two parts which interrelate, one tangible the
>> other intangible. A philosophy and a structure.
>>
>> The philosophy:
>> Lack of accountability is the disease I have come to realize
>> plagues damn near every organization... except the ones that
>> thrive. I have also realized that the main reason isn't because
>> people are lazy or absent minded or just don't care, it's that
>> there are a few key elements of the group that are either missing
>> completely or out of balance. These elements are in fact two
>> aspects of a singular entity I've referred to as accountability.
>> The first, intangible element is empowerment, or the personal
>> motivation that gives rise to action. The second, tangible
>> element is organization, or the physical or organizational means
>> that makes action possible. These two elements can exist without
>> each other, but alone they are about as good as a light bulb
>> without energy, or energy with nothing to conduct it towards an end.
>>
>> The structure:
>> There are infinite ways we could create a structure that could
>> cure the disease, some better than others. However, there are a
>> few elements to organizing that make up a structure, no matter how
>> you work it out. This too has two interrelating tangible and
>> intangible parts. The tangible is... well, a structure. The
>> skeleton, steal frame, etc. Like I already said this can look
>> like anything as long as it addresses the needs of the folks who
>> create it. The intangible is in reality more a sum of various
>> parts. These parts are basically just all the random bells and
>> whistles you come up with to make sure the people filling the
>> positions provided by the structure actually live up to their
>> responsibilities. These are necessary not because we think people
>> are negligent, rather because we all understand how difficult it
>> is to keep yourself in order, let alone a group of other people or
>> the affairs with which they have entrusted you.
>>
>> So, what next?
>>
>> We don't have to look too far to come up with a good structure.
>> Tons that already exist could do the job. There are also tons of
>> bells and whistles you all use in your own life and still more
>> that others use to better direct themselves and their
>> organizations, we need only look. For example, google documents
>> is an AMAZING organizational resource I was recently turned on to
>> that would help all the random ideas that pop into folks heads
>> actually make it onto an agenda. However, the documents do
>> nothing without a structure that places responsibility upon
>> someone to make them coherent and bring them to the group in
>> person. This means that people who have the time and inclination
>> have to step up into the roles the we as an organization create.
>> This is all pretty intuitive, I know, I'm REALLY not trying to
>> sound patronizing. It's just that sometimes the obvious things
>> right out in front of us aren't really obvious until they're made
>> obvious. .
>>
>> I hope no one is put off by my rather candid expression of my
>> opinions and advise. (Who am I anyway?) I'm also sorry if anyone
>> feels these issues are already being dealt with and I'm only
>> ignorant of the fact. I trust everyone understands that every
>> word comes from a place of genuine optimism and love. Either
>> way, I've said my piece and hope to hear feedback at Monday's 
>> meeting.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Space--214 North Washington Street--News (eric at egyptian.com
>> )
>> 2. Re: Space--214 North Washington Street--News (Sheridan Talbott)
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Message Follows-----
>>
>>
>> I am providing information regarding renovation, maintenance and
>> improvement plans for the BMIMC Space at 214 North Washington in
>> Carbondale. Please spend a little time reviewing the lists, since
>> this
>> maintenance and improvement is simply an attempt to allow the Space 
>> to
>> become a greater Community Asset. There is a true opportunity to
>> do this
>> since two competent members of the construction trades have
>> offered there
>> expertise and ability to accomplish this. With some additional
>> sweat from
>> a few other volunteers, this can become real.
>>
>> If, anyone else wishes to offer labor, material or equipment for the
>> listed purposes below, please reply to this list. Also, Sheridan has 
>> a
>> cost estimate for some materials so if you would prefer to just
>> give the
>> old greenback, it will be put to good use.
>>
>> There is also a need for some simple necessities to improve the
>> Space. A
>> push broom, cleaning supplies, bleach, trash bags, batteries,
>> industrial
>> grade extension cords, heat tape, ceramic tile, toilet paper,
>> towels (both
>> paper and cloth), pens, hot cups, batteries, adhesive tape, furnace
>> filters and appropriate furniture are a few of the items really
>> needed to
>> realize our goal for improving our community commitment.
>>
>>
>> 1) Improvements
>>
>> If you haven't met Sheridan, our Herrin participant, this is a great
>> opportunity. He has been involved in the construction trades for a 
>> few
>> decades. He has offered his time and skills to renovate and
>> improve the
>> facade and front area. He has the cost estimates I referred to
>> earlier. He
>> is looking for assistance as well. If you have any interest in
>> learning
>> about the trades, here is an excellent opportunity to learn from
>> someone
>> who actually knows them.
>>
>> 2)Roof
>>
>> Unfortunately, the roof should really be resurfaced. The incessant
>> rain we
>> have had lately makes that an obvious need. It is simply a matter of
>> tarring it. Hot tar is what the roof needs, unfortunately a large
>> vat or
>> tar bucket is also necessary. Rory Jaros has said he is willing to
>> help.
>> As a member of the construction trades, his ability adds a lot to his
>> offer. He is convinced we can do it without a vat but rather by
>> heating
>> the tar in buckets. If someone is willing to help, this is a messy
>> but not
>> too difficult task. Reply if you wish to participate.
>>
>> 3)Graffiti
>>
>> We definitely need to remove the graffiti from the building
>> facade. It is
>> extremely high up on the building. We got a delay in fine
>> implementation
>> by the City but it must be painted over. I believe we have someone
>> willing to paint it over. He's the reggae master at WDBX. He may
>> need a
>> little help so feel free to ask him.
>>
>>
>> 4)Internet access
>>
>> Another positive use of the Space is providing high speed Internet
>> access
>> to the community. The necessary equipment is there to set up a 2 or 3
>> computer network plus wireless access for laptops. It is possible
>> to get
>> high speed Internet access to the Space as we did previously,
>> however, the
>> City has a wireless gateway that should be available for free to
>> requesting non-profits. We need a few interested Carbondale
>> residents to
>> request that the City provide the BMIMC continuous access
>> explaining that
>> it will provide community access. I and others will work with the
>> City and
>> provide our own radio for access to one of their wireless access
>> points.
>> If you are interested in making this request, please reply to the
>> list.
>>
>>
>> 5) Trash
>>
>> I removed the trash cans from the back room and placed them up front,
>> simply because it prevented access to the rear, which is essential.
>> Unfortunately, the trash was to have been removed but wasn't.
>> Joyce and I
>> removed several cans worth of trash. It really wasn't that tough, we
>> simply bring one or two bags and empty a can into them. We then
>> walk to a
>> spot and deposit it. Not something all that difficult.
>> Fortunately, thanks
>> to the help of Morning Star and Sorrel, this problem has been
>> eradicated.
>> We now have marked containers for refuse, now it is a matter of
>> utilizing these correctly, taking them to their appropriate place of
>> deposit and taking responsibility for what we bring to and leave
>> at the
>> Space. So please take your trash or someone else's with you and
>> look upon
>> it as the Space's belated holiday gift to you.
>>
>> Unfortunately trash is a fairly common problem, so please always
>> take a
>> little trash with you when you leave the Space. At least our
>> garbage is
>> real, unlike the rest of the media who simply make theirs up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 6) Back Room
>>
>> Unfortunately, we have received a great many donations some of
>> which would
>> have been better off in a dumpster. It takes up space and
>> prevents use,
>> at some point we need to have a yard sale for a great deal of it
>> and a
>> visit to the trash for the rest. There is enough stuff in the back
>> for a
>> decent yard sale, especially with a few items added by nice
>> contributors.
>> It could bring us some funds for things on our wish list. Also, if
>> someone
>> could provide a van or truck, refuse removal could be readily
>> completed.
>>
>> We could truly be a major community asset if the back were made
>> available
>> for film and performance activities since it is a larger space
>> while the
>> front is available for organizational and creative functions.
>>
>> 7) Event usage
>>
>> The Space is available to be rented for special events. 
>> Unfortunately,
>> there are now footprints on the newly painted walls. This occurred
>> during
>> a special event. Had the organizer of the event who took
>> responsibility
>> for the use of the Space simply taken a towel and cleaner it
>> could have
>> been remedied. However, frequently this type of lack of respect and
>> responsibly occurs, so perhaps a higher deposit is required with 
>> Space
>> rentals.
>>
>> Hope you get a chance to consider what you are willing to contribute.
>>
>> Best
>> eric
>>
>>
>> I am providing information regarding renovation, maintenance and
>> improvement plans for the BMIMC Space at 214 North Washington in
>> Carbondale. Please spend a little time reviewing the lists, since
>> this
>> maintenance and improvement is simply an attempt to allow the Space 
>> to
>> become a greater Community Asset. There is a true opportunity to
>> do this
>> since two competent members of the construction trades have
>> offered there
>> expertise and ability to accomplish this. With some additional
>> sweat from
>> a few other volunteers, this can become real.
>>
>> If, anyone else wishes to offer labor, material or equipment for the
>> listed purposes below, please reply to this list. Also, Sheridan has 
>> a
>> cost estimate for some materials so if you would prefer to just
>> give the
>> old greenback, it will be put to good use.
>>
>> There is also a need for some simple necessities to improve the
>> Space. A
>> push broom, cleaning supplies, bleach, trash bags, batteries,
>> industrial
>> grade extension cords, heat tape, ceramic tile, toilet paper,
>> towels (both
>> paper and cloth), pens, hot cups, batteries, adhesive tape, furnace
>> filters and appropriate furniture are a few of the items really
>> needed to
>> realize our goal for improving our community commitment.
>>
>>
>> 1) Improvements
>>
>> If you haven't met Sheridan, our Herrin participant, this is a great
>> opportunity. He has been involved in the construction trades for a 
>> few
>> decades. He has offered his time and skills to renovate and
>> improve the
>> facade and front area. He has the cost estimates I referred to
>> earlier. He
>> is looking for assistance as well. If you have any interest in
>> learning
>> about the trades, here is an excellent opportunity to learn from
>> someone
>> who actually knows them.
>>
>> 2)Roof
>>
>> Unfortunately, the roof should really be resurfaced. The incessant
>> rain we
>> have had lately makes that an obvious need. It is simply a matter of
>> tarring it. Hot tar is what the roof needs, unfortunately a large
>> vat or
>> tar bucket is also necessary. Rory Jaros has said he is willing to
>> help.
>> As a member of the construction trades, his ability adds a lot to his
>> offer. He is convinced we can do it without a vat but rather by
>> heating
>> the tar in buckets. If someone is willing to help, this is a messy
>> but not
>> too difficult task. Reply if you wish to participate.
>>
>> 3)Graffiti
>>
>> We definitely need to remove the graffiti from the building
>> facade. It is
>> extremely high up on the building. We got a delay in fine
>> implementation
>> by the City but it must be painted over. I believe we have someone
>> willing to paint it over. He's the reggae master at WDBX. He may

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