[IMC-Boston-Discuss] erasing list archives

Pete Stidman pstidman at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 25 15:34:45 PDT 2005


Again in the interest of not arguing on the internet,
I will only remind folks that blocking is a very
serious and radical step that should not be used
lightly.  

Abuse of blocking is becoming a trend and is in itself
a unilateral action.

-Pete
 

--- Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com> wrote:

> hi,
> I hope I'm not misunderstanding, but I am definitely
> opposed to erasing/deleting archived emails from our
> lists.  Pete, I'm sorry that your boss has seen
> those,
> but I don't think the entire group should suffer for
> heated arguments we've all had on the internet.  I,
> for one, constantly refer to our archives to look
> into
> BIMC policies and discussion we've had about
> different
> processes.  It's incredibly useful and it would be a
> terrible thing to lose.
> 
> I would like to Block any such attempts to delete
> old
> emails.
> 
> I am not opposed to having it somehow protected for
> members, but it would have to be public anyway
> (meaning, that anyone who wants to become a member
> would have access... much like the Dispatch List is
> now. Not a huge difference).
> 
> This is a good incentive, I think, to keep our
> discussion on lists polite.
> 
> thanks,
> Sofia
> 
> 
> 
> --- Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I think there are accountability issues that would
> > come up- maintaining transparency has been a
> mantra
> > of
> > the group for a long time.  
> > 
> > I would prefer that we erase these emails whether
> we
> > make the list limited membership or not- since the
> > group could make the emails public at any time,
> > collectively or individually.  ALready they are
> > archived on google I am sure.  
> > 
> > I think we should think about asking people to
> bring
> > their accusations to face to face meetings rather
> > than
> > on the internet.  Not only is it better from an
> > interpersonal perspective, it will save new and
> old
> > members from burnout and fatigue.  
> > 
> > reading long emails sux.
> > 
> > -Pete
> > 
> > 
> > --- Matthew Williams <mw21 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I think we've pretty clearly established that,
> > while
> > > e-mail is good for 
> > > routine communications, when it comes to
> > > disagreements, it's a  very 
> > > poor medium for settling them. When you're
> talking
> > > face-to-face (or 
> > > even by phone), it's easier to see when the
> other
> > > person isn't 
> > > understanding you and clarify what you mean. The
> > > give and take 
> > > necessary for dialogue and consensus seems to go
> > > better. And the 
> > > person's intended tone is much clearer when you
> > can
> > > at least hear their 
> > > voice than by e-mail. I think that may have been
> > the
> > > problem with many 
> > > of your e-mails, Andrew--what you meant to come
> > > across as enthusiasm or 
> > > something like that, actually came across in a
> > > fairly overbearing, 
> > > abrasive fashion to me and I suspect others as
> > well.
> > > 
> > > On Pete's concern about publicly archived
> e-mails
> > > that make him look 
> > > like an asshole, I think one solution may be to
> > > simply make it so our 
> > > archives are only available to list members, not
> > the
> > > general public. 
> > > That would also do something to address the
> > problem
> > > of trolls who read 
> > > the archives of our lists, then quote us out of
> > > context on the site. I 
> > > guess making the lists not publicly accessible
> > could
> > > raise some 
> > > accountability issues, but I don't think that
> many
> > > people really go 
> > > digging through our archives anyway and mostly
> > they
> > > seem to be trouble 
> > > makers. People with genuine concerns can still
> > post
> > > their complaints to 
> > > the site or e-mail us. And if someone really
> wants
> > > to keep tabs on us 
> > > that badly, they can join the lists ... it would
> > > just keep the casual 
> > > browser or Googler from reading them and
> possibly
> > > finding stuff out of 
> > > context that makes Pete (or any of the rest of
> us)
> > > look bad.
> > > 
> > > -- Matt
> > > 
> > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:39 AM, petrina wrote:
> > > 
> > > > as one of the people who was working the
> table,
> > i
> > > would like to say 
> > > > that andrew is FABULOUS.
> > > >
> > > > he had so much energy and was so wonderful
> > talking
> > > to people at the 
> > > > table. he offered to let me go
> > > > home and gather the materials at the end of
> the
> > > night. that's all it 
> > > > was.
> > > >
> > > > i'm glad to hear things are better after that
> > > little misunderstanding.
> > > >
> > > > i would also just like to say that i am sorry
> > for
> > > the slightly snippy 
> > > > tone of my email last week
> > > > regarding the fundraising meeting.
> > > >
> > > > nobody can make all the meetings and even
> though
> > > in theory the minutes 
> > > > are there to be read by
> > > > those who couldn't make it, i know it's hard
> to
> > > keep up with all the 
> > > > email and i don't always get
> > > > a chance to read minutes myself.
> > > >
> > > > petrina
> > > >
> > > >
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