[IMC-bristol] Gosling in the dock?

[Kyra]

hi tony / all
please let try to keep this debate free from personal attacks. i know 
this sounds highly unlikely and naive given that what we are discussing 
is person-specific but lets have a go. as i see it, ian is not 'laying 
nonsense on whole group' in replying to my email, but is contributing to 
a debate that we need to have about how we work with you.  its not about 
'ian and his chums' ganging up on you, but about us addressing the 
problems you have caused for Bristol / UK groups, and you, and everyone 
one of us, taking responsibility.  Adopting full schoolmarm persona here 
(sorry), we all need to take a mature and responsible approach to stop 
this becoming a boring in-fighting situation.

please also can we have a separate meeting to address the 'you in the 
dock' issues: i'm sorry i havent been able to put this debate in motion 
without your feeling on trial about stuff, but following my conversation 
with you about the Tom Rintoul article, and your email to London-Tony, 
this is all stuff that needs to get out in the open and then moved on 
from; i dont want to leave things to fester, and in an open group like 
Bristol IMC there should be no dark corners for disagreements to lurk 
and grow in as they obviously have done between you and ian.

i would like to keep the 15th march as a meeting for the Bristol IM 
group to focus on our upcoming work for the spring & summer and feedback 
on the new software. i'm sorry to say that i dont feel confident that 
you, tony, coming to the meeting will be very helpful to this, but i do 
agree wholeheartedly that a meeting with you and a rep from the Uk group 
is crucial and i will contact them to arrange this, i guess that when we 
can do this will be dependent on when one of them can be here - so will 
keep everyone posted.  i am really keen that 15th doesnt turn into yet 
another meeting centring round tony - lets keep all that separate.

i would appreciate it if you could address the problems i brought up in 
my email, rather than kicking ian in the teeth.

kyra

Ecovillage Network UK wrote:

> Oh Ian,
> I'm skipping with delight now I have your permission to submit 
> articles to the newswire. ;-)
>
>
> Which 'far right chums' Ian? [cue the roaring silence]
>
> Anyway - Since you've finally come out about wanting to remove me as 
> an admin. (both for the site and this list) you can put your case on 
> the 15th. That gives you plenty of time to put your private prejudices 
> aside... and get some evidence together. I would, of course, expect 
> any mud you and your chums can scrape together to be shown to me at 
> least two days beforeby Saturday 13th.  That is if people are up for a 
> witchunt.
>
> It would have been much easier if you'd at least have tried to sort 
> our differences out with me over a pint (as I offered) before laying 
> this nonsense on the whole group.
>
> And then we can all get on with the urgent job of showing what 
> bread-headed control freaks the Evening Post managers and editors 
> (particularly) are and exposing the collusion of big business, the 
> city of London, the western war machine and racists: the real 21st 
> century fascists.
>
> Tony
> "all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"
>
> At 12:41 PM 3/3/04 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> Thanks kyra for taking the time to type that up.  You have more 
>> patience than I have regarding Goslings shit.
>>
>> My feelings are this - if he wants to submit articles to the news 
>> wire then that's fine by me.  However I'm not happy with him 
>> purporting to represent indymedia period ( uk or bristol or global )  
>> and I hope he'll stop doing this.
>>
>> He makes little effort in rebutting these allegations preferring 
>> confrontation rather than taking measures to distance himself from 
>> some of his far right chums,  which is tiresome.  Personally I'm sick 
>> to the back teeth of having to deal with his fallout and I think his 
>> position within indymedia has become untenable.   I hope that he will 
>> not attend anymore Bristol meetings - also I propose to change the 
>> password of the Bristol e-mail list and remove him as a moderator.  
>> Does any one object to this?
>>
>>
>> best
>> ian
>>
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