[IMC-bristol] 'Tooth kicker' Gosling to base

[Ecovillage Network UK]

Hi Kyra,

I have given feedback on the new software on the tech list I think it was 
Monday this week. MIR isn't working in my versions of Mozilla or Opera 
(text is way too small).

On my 'court case'. I am not prepared to involve time and effort of other 
IMC's unless we can't sort this out locally. Let's just bring it up at the 
meeting on the 15th and see if any serious allegations surface. If they do 
then we can all pitch in and decide quickly how to deal with it there and 
then. If anyone from London's seriously concerned let's invite them - but - 
as I say we need to see the 'evidence' circulated on this list a couple of 
days before the meeting say the 12th. We can then also sort out who wants 
to be a UKIMC bank account signatory and take over from me on the IMC 
Communications list - duties I will happily relinquish!
I think most people would rather draw a line under this now and wait to the 
15th to decide what, if anything, to do.

On being a 'spokesperson' for Indymedia let me make my position clear (as 
they say): I have never claimed to 'represent' Indymedia and am not 
prepared to ask the permission of any meeting before I express my views to 
anybody about BIMC or Indymedia generally.

Unlike you, it seems, I do not take accusations of being linked to the far 
right lightly. And will robustly defend my (admittedly dubious!) reputation 
whenevber I'm slurred as such. I can assure you the stuff about 'far right 
chums' is exactly that - nonsense.  Look, I know I'm not perfect but I'm 
not gonna take accusations like that lying down. I'd like to know how I'm 
supposed to be 'kicking Ian in the teeth'. I have
a) never threatened him with violence     and am
b) pointing out his abuse of his position as an admin of this list.
c) I don't send Ian emails where the only words are 'fuck off'. which he 
does to me.
d) making fun of his patronising
you might want to reply to this off list
I'm not in the least interested in 'fighting' with Ian but I will defend 
myself.

Following the collapse of the Katherine Gun case Bristol is about to become 
the focus for world attention on the legality of the US and the UK going to 
war on Iraq - there will be millions of people round the world looking to 
us to provide the 'grassroots' view of the court case. Nothing must be 
allowed to stop a crew like us doing that job and dong it well. I'd like to 
add another agenda item for the 15th. sorting out a small team to go to the 
crown court each day and uploading to BIMC at least twice a day.

If you want any other specific questions answered Kyra please ask away.
But I'll be away until the middle of next week.
You might want to phone me 07786 952 037.

oh yes and  Anyone near Broadband don't forget to tune in to Dialect 
tonight  http://dialect.bettercode.com any reception problems please report 
them to
dialect-info at bettercode.com


Tony
0117 944 6219

At 06:49 PM 3/3/04 +0000, you wrote:

>hi tony / all
>please let try to keep this debate free from personal attacks. i know this 
>sounds highly unlikely and naive given that what we are discussing is 
>person-specific but lets have a go. as i see it, ian is not 'laying 
>nonsense on whole group' in replying to my email, but is contributing to a 
>debate that we need to have about how we work with you.  its not about 
>'ian and his chums' ganging up on you, but about us addressing the 
>problems you have caused for Bristol / UK groups, and you, and everyone 
>one of us, taking responsibility.  Adopting full schoolmarm persona here 
>(sorry), we all need to take a mature and responsible approach to stop 
>this becoming a boring in-fighting situation.
>
>please also can we have a separate meeting to address the 'you in the 
>dock' issues: i'm sorry i havent been able to put this debate in motion 
>without your feeling on trial about stuff, but following my conversation 
>with you about the Tom Rintoul article, and your email to London-Tony, 
>this is all stuff that needs to get out in the open and then moved on 
>from; i dont want to leave things to fester, and in an open group like 
>Bristol IMC there should be no dark corners for disagreements to lurk and 
>grow in as they obviously have done between you and ian.
>
>i would like to keep the 15th march as a meeting for the Bristol IM group 
>to focus on our upcoming work for the spring & summer and feedback on the 
>new software. i'm sorry to say that i dont feel confident that you, tony, 
>coming to the meeting will be very helpful to this, but i do agree 
>wholeheartedly that a meeting with you and a rep from the Uk group is 
>crucial and i will contact them to arrange this, i guess that when we can 
>do this will be dependent on when one of them can be here - so will keep 
>everyone posted.  i am really keen that 15th doesnt turn into yet another 
>meeting centring round tony - lets keep all that separate.
>
>i would appreciate it if you could address the problems i brought up in my 
>email, rather than kicking ian in the teeth.
>
>kyra
>
>Ecovillage Network UK wrote:
>
>>Oh Ian,
>>I'm skipping with delight now I have your permission to submit articles 
>>to the newswire. ;-)
>>
>>
>>Which 'far right chums' Ian? [cue the roaring silence]
>>
>>Anyway - Since you've finally come out about wanting to remove me as an 
>>admin. (both for the site and this list) you can put your case on the 
>>15th. That gives you plenty of time to put your private prejudices 
>>aside... and get some evidence together. I would, of course, expect any 
>>mud you and your chums can scrape together to be shown to me at least two 
>>days beforeby Saturday 13th.  That is if people are up for a witchunt.
>>
>>It would have been much easier if you'd at least have tried to sort our 
>>differences out with me over a pint (as I offered) before laying this 
>>nonsense on the whole group.
>>
>>And then we can all get on with the urgent job of showing what 
>>bread-headed control freaks the Evening Post managers and editors 
>>(particularly) are and exposing the collusion of big business, the city 
>>of London, the western war machine and racists: the real 21st century fascists.
>>
>>Tony
>>"all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"
>>
>>At 12:41 PM 3/3/04 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks kyra for taking the time to type that up.  You have more patience 
>>>than I have regarding Goslings shit.
>>>
>>>My feelings are this - if he wants to submit articles to the news wire 
>>>then that's fine by me.  However I'm not happy with him purporting to 
>>>represent indymedia period ( uk or bristol or global )
>>>and I hope he'll stop doing this.
>>>
>>>He makes little effort in rebutting these allegations preferring 
>>>confrontation rather than taking measures to distance himself from some 
>>>of his far right chums,  which is tiresome.  Personally I'm sick to the 
>>>back teeth of having to deal with his fallout and I think his position 
>>>within indymedia has become untenable.   I hope that he will not attend 
>>>anymore Bristol meetings - also I propose to change the password of the 
>>>Bristol e-mail list and remove him as a moderator.
>>>Does any one object to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>best
>>>ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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