[IMC-bristol] 'Tooth kicker' Gosling

Thu Mar 4 11:06:14 PST 2004

Having been at the last meeting when this issue came up, it did dominate
the meeting.  It would be a shame to see another meeting dominated by
it also.  I think Kyra's suggestion of a separate meeting to discuss
this issue is the best solution, a meeting I think should be open to
both Tony and Ian.

We can't keep basing our head against this issue.

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:15:01 -0800 Ecovillage Network UK <evnuk at gaia.org>
wrote:
>Am I missing something?
>My fate is to be decided without me present?
>Who is the bully here?
>
>T
>
>
>
>At 05:52 PM 3/4/04 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>I'm going to lay out my position here once only.
>>
>>As an individual I'm not prepared to engage or work with Gosling
>anymore 
>>as I think he's a vindictive bully.  Any future correspondence
>from him 
>>will be met with a cursory 'fuck off'.  and yes i did shamefully
>loose my 
>>temper with him on the phone b4 xmas and threatened to punch him
>out after 
>>he ffwded private correspondence on to the Bristol list after I
>expressly 
>>asked him not to  - bad e-mail etiquette is just one of Goslings
>perennial 
>>missives and has been the source of another complaint against him.
>>
>>So is he a racist?  I don't think so although I do think that he
>is very 
>>naive by putting up dodgy links on his website.  He now has a reputation
>>
>>for being so although I've never seen any hard evidence of this
>apart from 
>>his web presence.  However he has in the past stupidly linked/promoted
>to 
>>people like David Irving,  David Icke, the American Free Press
>>
>>(ex-spotlight magazine) and stupidly used to promote the idea that
>the 
>>'protocols of the elders of zion' was an 'interesting document'
>that 
>>should be digested by all amongst other things.  Unfortunately
>its stuff 
>>like this that's got him this dodgy reputation and mud 
>>sticks.   Subsequently when you join up the dots with his messianic
>>
>>judeo-christian beliefs and paranoid conspiracy theories you can
>see why 
>>some people get the wrong end of the stick.  I think its fair to
>say that 
>>the ZOG conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones see Gosling as one of their
>own, 
>>which is why some people, rightly or wrongly, think that he's part
>of the 
>>problem rather than part of the solution.
>>
>>Being involved in i-contact, naturally we've discussed these allegations
>>
>>on several occasions,  and I've previously defended his rep on more
>than 
>>one occasion which is something I'm not prepared to do any 
>>longer.   Personally I feel that he hasn't done enough to distance
>himself 
>>from these kinds of people and am very disappointed with this.
>>
>>BIMC needs to understand that many people now within the wider
>indymedia 
>>network who do not want to work with him, or engage him, or be
>associated 
>>in a project with him because of these perceived leanings. It seems
>as if 
>>there are anti racist organisations who are aware of Gosling and
>are 
>>monitoring his work.   I was totally disgusted to see Shefield
>IMC refused 
>>help from an anti racist group solely because of Gosling being
>active with 
>>in indymedia.   One well used anarchist e-mail list A-infos already
>>
>>refuses to carry Goslings communiques because of these allegations.
>  I 
>>was disgusted with his behavior when I found out that one of the
>Scotland 
>>IMC people Anarchobabe was bombarded with bullying e-mails and
>taunts from 
>>Gosling when she expressed her concern about his politics on one
>of the UK 
>>lists,  when she asked him to desist he still carried on - it seems
>as if 
>>other people now are experiencing his unwanted email bullying 
>>tactics,  myself included.
>>
>>This now has become a real problem.  I don't wish to see BIMC ostracized
>>
>>from the global network because of one individuals indiscretions.
> After 
>>all this is of his own creation and nobody elses.  Surely the onus
>should 
>>be with him to justify why he should remain with in indymedia?
>  He knows 
>>very well what these allegations are...
>>
>>On a local level I've found him to be argumentative to the point
>of 
>>distraction,  who regularly employs intimidation,  taunts and bullying
>to 
>>get his own way and seems to enjoy wallowing in this controversy.
> Whilst 
>>claiming on many occasions that he would take a more proactive
>role in the 
>>sites moderation he has in fact done little/nothing and abused
>his 
>>moderator position by promoting his own postings.
>>
>>Is there a place now in indymedia for Gosling?  If his presence
>is going 
>>to cause this much strife within the wider network than I don't
>see how he 
>>can represent indymedia at all.  However I don't have a problem
>with him 
>>submitting stories as occasionally he will do something worthwhile
>but if 
>>thats the sacrifice we have to make then so be it.  This is not
>a decision 
>>I make lightly as I used to count him as a trusted friend.
>>
>>Again I'd ask him respectfully to stay away from the local meeting
>on the 
>>15th to allow the Bristol collective to discuss this without it
>descending 
>>into a destructive argument.  We can then set up a separate meeting
>at a 
>>later date to deal with this (as suggested by Kyra).  I think that
>its 
>>probably best that I don't participate in that particular discussion
>with 
>>Gosling as I'm concerned that I may loose my temper with him...which
>is 
>>why I'm spelling out my position here and now.   This is really
>all I have 
>>to say on this matter and I won't bore people any more.
>>
>>
>>best
>>ian
>>
>>
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