[imc-cms] [Imc-drupal-dev] IMC CMS - next meeting Saturday 30th September 1400 UTC - https://chat.indymedia.org/ - channel #cms

[Dave Fregon]

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 11:05 +1000, and wrote:
> I think saturday night at 12 o'clock you are unlikely to get many  
> Australians. I know it's a geek meeting but we aren't THAT geeky! :)
>
> As I haven't heard anyone else on this list from Australia say they  
> want to attend the meeting I'd just be sticking with time that was  
> convenient for Europe, North America and South America.

Ya, I can probably make any time, better to make a time more convenient
for the greater numbers outside our 'island' :) I've been quite silent
and just watching due to what I know will happen regardless :) I did
contact the person doing the eval of Plone to offer help, but no reply
as yet.

since there's a few reading this, I get a 15 seconds of blurt on this
now, in case I fall asleep when I should be at the discussion :-) why
not :P

Being a 'Plone'/zope person, I'm totally outnumbered :) My initial
thoughts on this whole thing, is that Drupal will win out (not that it's
a bad thing/decision, just a realistic one), due to the number of PHP
coders out there compared to zope/plone, and drupal seems to be 'the
flagship' cms atm in the PHP regard. Plone really is there only because
it is 'better' (in my opinion;), but the learning curve is just to large
for it too win here. Could you see Indymedia PHP familiar techies taking
it on across the globe? (I personally can hear the experienced PHP coder
moans already ;) there's issues enough with numbers of techs, let alone
narrowing the bottleneck further.

A reference on something similar is the greenpeace evaluation
(http://importantprojects.com/archives/000084.php), Plone lost narrowly
to Drupal, mainly due to the difficulty of folk 'evaluating' from a PHP
background and dealing with major concept shifts, compared to the
plonista point of views. You can see comments regarding the results on a
lot of plone lists, eg :

http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/ngo/2006-June/000152.html

Basically it comes down to the fact that there just isn't enough Plone
folk out there in Indymedia land, the learning curve can be quite a jump
for php coders, not familiar with the total change of 'concepts'.

I've seen a number of these evaluations go past in interweb land, I bet
a falafel it will be drupal for the points I have mentioned above ..
sigh :) it would be wonderful otherwise, but realistically this is just
a journey to that end in my opinion that needs to be gone thru as part
of legitimate process.

Was that negative? :) I hope not, I really think Plone is the better
tool from having seen both sides of the fence (especially since a lot of
the drupal areas are now being targetted in 'core developer land' eg:
civicrm integration, but you just don't hear about it off the developer
lists.

</stop speil> didn't mean to go that long!

Dave

ps : a good writeup is here :

http://www.idealware.org/articles/joomla_drupal_plone.php

and if there are any Plone people out there, contact me!! I'm working on
an updated Active codebase for Plone here in Australia, when I get a
chance with all the engagemedia stuff, would be great to have some help,
time is basically my enemy right thru till end of year then freedom to
code what I want, even tho it's relatively simple what needs to be done
to get it live, I'm just flat out.

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