[Imc-communication] imc-belgium's answer to imc-liege's disaffiliation request

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Surely this is an issue where people on the ground, close by, who can
talk to people in and around belgium need to decide. But, if imc liege
and other local imc's are asking for them to be disaffiliated, what
better proof can we ask for? It seems like the local imc's have
discussed it and are telling us that imc belgium is a problem.

When I was in france, in toulouse, the imc toulouse volunteers all told
me that imc belgium was basically being used as a propaganda arm for a
political party. They know a lot better than I about the situation.

It seems to me like we have to take some direction from the local imc's
on the ground and act on their findings and decisions. It seems also
like the imc's who are far away or know nothing about the situation
should stand aside in the decision making process.

Personally, having met folks in toulouse who I trust a lot and who have
expressed to me the problems with imc belgium, I'm in support of other
lcoal imc's who agree with them and want imc belgium disaffiliated. If
we don't have a process for disaffiliating imc's who aren't following
the PoU at all, then we're in a dangerous position where the imc network
is just going to become meaningless.


Tony wrote:

> Yes i know - but how can people on a global level determine who is
> telling the truth? I know some people in imc-belgium/brussels are in
> political parties (which is fine if they are acting as an individual
> into media) - what i don't know is whether they are abusing their
> numbers possition etc. My mail does not condoone such action in fact i
> would be as angry as the other local belgium imc's if that is true,
> and would feel let down by those in brussels that i have worked with
> and trust (from my inevitable distance).
>
> What I think Deva and i are saying is how can we determine this from
> remote places without understanding the politics of the area - in the
> end i would have to take one persons view point and trust they are
> right and in this situation i can't - so i would prefer if local
> belgium/dutch/french/german and UK if they can get to some face to
> face meetings try and sort it out closer to home...
>
> It is not that i am avoiding this situation but handing out judgments
> from a global network is not a healthy way unless as the very last
> resort, and i dont think we have got there yet.
>
> cheers tony
>
> At 23:15 +0200 17/04/05, Phil wrote:
>
>> Hello Christophe,  Deva,  Tony,
>>
>> I do not feel like the problem posed by belgium.indymedia.org might
>> be considered as a local issue.
>> It is as matter of fact that membres of a local political party (no
>> matter about its particular position) has gained control of a
>> portal.  Should we consider this neutral, should we accept the
>> principle of negociating with the people who did that ?
>> These are the only questions.
>> and they matter for all collectives among the indy network.  they
>> matter a lot.
>>
>> So this is also a personal point of view. and even when some may
>> qualify it insane (...) i surelly wait to see if this network chooses
>> to face this situation and react properly to it ; as it will surely
>> matter to know what kind of an affair we are involved in.
>>
>> thank you
>> best regards
>