[Imc-communication] imc-belgium's answer to imc-liege's disaffiliation request

[Phil]

l a écrit :

>Surely this is an issue where people on the ground, close by, who can
>talk to people in and around belgium need to decide. But, if imc liege
>and other local imc's are asking for them to be disaffiliated, what
>better proof can we ask for? It seems like the local imc's have
>discussed it and are telling us that imc belgium is a problem.
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>When I was in france, in toulouse, the imc toulouse volunteers all told
>me that imc belgium was basically being used as a propaganda arm for a
>political party. They know a lot better than I about the situation.
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Hey Lotus, i am sorry but there has been no debate among the toulouse's 
collective about this subject.
So your message may only reflect personnal feelings of some members, and 
in no-way the view of "all imc-toulouse volunteers" ; for example : you 
and i never met !

Lets rather focus on the large amount of elements pushing four 
integrated local imcs to support belgium dissafiliation.
Coz i don't think it would be a good thing to give any importance to the 
advice of a collective still out of the network ; foremost when it is 
not even a collectivly consensused position.

thank you

Phil
 

> It seems to me like we have to take some direction from the local imc's
>on the ground and act on their findings and decisions. It seems also
>like the imc's who are far away or know nothing about the situation
>should stand aside in the decision making process.
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>Personally, having met folks in toulouse who I trust a lot and who have
>expressed to me the problems with imc belgium, I'm in support of other
>lcoal imc's who agree with them and want imc belgium disaffiliated. If
>we don't have a process for disaffiliating imc's who aren't following
>the PoU at all, then we're in a dangerous position where the imc network
>is just going to become meaningless.
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>Tony wrote:
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>>Yes i know - but how can people on a global level determine who is
>>telling the truth? I know some people in imc-belgium/brussels are in
>>political parties (which is fine if they are acting as an individual
>>into media) - what i don't know is whether they are abusing their
>>numbers possition etc. My mail does not condoone such action in fact i
>>would be as angry as the other local belgium imc's if that is true,
>>and would feel let down by those in brussels that i have worked with
>>and trust (from my inevitable distance).
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>>What I think Deva and i are saying is how can we determine this from
>>remote places without understanding the politics of the area - in the
>>end i would have to take one persons view point and trust they are
>>right and in this situation i can't - so i would prefer if local
>>belgium/dutch/french/german and UK if they can get to some face to
>>face meetings try and sort it out closer to home...
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>>It is not that i am avoiding this situation but handing out judgments
>>from a global network is not a healthy way unless as the very last
>>resort, and i dont think we have got there yet.
>>
>>cheers tony
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>>At 23:15 +0200 17/04/05, Phil wrote:
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>>>Hello Christophe,  Deva,  Tony,
>>>
>>>I do not feel like the problem posed by belgium.indymedia.org might
>>>be considered as a local issue.
>>>It is as matter of fact that membres of a local political party (no
>>>matter about its particular position) has gained control of a
>>>portal.  Should we consider this neutral, should we accept the
>>>principle of negociating with the people who did that ?
>>>These are the only questions.
>>>and they matter for all collectives among the indy network.  they
>>>matter a lot.
>>>
>>>So this is also a personal point of view. and even when some may
>>>qualify it insane (...) i surelly wait to see if this network chooses
>>>to face this situation and react properly to it ; as it will surely
>>>matter to know what kind of an affair we are involved in.
>>>
>>>thank you
>>>best regards
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