[Imc-communication] Naming Names
clampin at free.fr
Sun Jun 12 03:15:00 PDT 2005
andypie a écrit :
> Setting aside the entire rest of the discussion on the Belgium
> situation for a minute, I want to strongly disagree with the practice
> of Pym on his latest post of linking to a document which names names
> of supposed PTB members.
> Such a list should not even exist on the WIKI.
> I'm sure the government authorities have most of this info already but
> there are civilian fascist crazies and organizations which maintain
> blacklists for employment screening which might use it to harm people.
> Not to mention the fact that this kind of list invites a retaliatory
> spiral which could lead to more and more detailed information being
> published or 'ratted out' to the authorities.
> Let the class enemy collect its own information.
> What were you THINKING ?
> Please delete this stuff NOW.
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Noticing you did not dare to answer my recent questions about
cleveland's position, I remark you do not either mind giving orders.
Besides what Pim express, you should have read some of the first
messages posted on this list and imc-process in april in which bruno (in
the name "belgium.indymedia" team ) posted direct links pointing on
supposed facists websites detailing the ptb-pvda hold-up on
Mind also than when no confidence enough have been given to a large
amount of people and local collectives awared for months of this
situation, it is a bit exagerated not to feel responsable yourself at
certain level of some desperate behaviors they might have generated in
return. I agree this is painfull and hardly concevable from afar. But
also it points on another basic principle that could be more largely
debated among the network : should we restrain information ? is it our
role ? is not exactly the contrary we should encourage, whenever these
informations do no please us ?
All along the debate of the last two months, 'belgium' indymedia replied
and replied that the basic accusations that were pointed on them were
lies. Lots of people omong whom yourself and you own local collective
asked for proofs. What but extensive infos and details, left to people
to evaluate by themselves could help to respond to such denials and
Certainly not silence nor blanked articles.
Sorry for the situation in anyway and hoping this flamewar and the
unexpectable and unacceptable situation in belgium will not lead us to
division, ressentment, and more censoring in our own relationship and
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