[Imc-communication] Naming Names

[Phil]

andypie a écrit :

> Setting aside the entire rest of the discussion on the Belgium 
> situation for a minute, I want to strongly disagree with the practice 
> of Pym on his latest post of linking to a document which names names 
> of supposed PTB members.
>
> Such a list should not even exist on the WIKI.
>
> I'm sure the government authorities have most of this info already but 
> there are civilian fascist crazies and organizations which maintain 
> blacklists for employment screening which might use it to harm people.
>
> Not to mention the fact that this kind of list invites a retaliatory 
> spiral which could lead to more and more detailed information being 
> published or 'ratted out' to the authorities.
>
> Let the class enemy collect its own information.
>
> What were you THINKING ?
>
> Please delete this stuff NOW.
>
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Hello andypie,

Noticing you did not dare to answer my recent questions about 
cleveland's position,  I remark you do not either mind giving orders. 
Besides what Pim express, you should have read some of the first 
messages posted on this list and imc-process in april in which bruno (in 
the name "belgium.indymedia" team ) posted direct links pointing on 
supposed facists websites detailing the ptb-pvda hold-up on 
belgium.indymedia.
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2005-April/0415-ab.html

Mind also than when no confidence enough have been given to a large 
amount of people and local collectives awared for months of this 
situation, it is a bit exagerated not to feel responsable yourself at 
certain level of some desperate behaviors they might have generated in 
return. I agree this is painfull and hardly concevable from afar. But 
also it points on another basic principle that could be more largely 
debated among the network : should we restrain information ? is it our 
role ? is not exactly the contrary we should encourage, whenever these 
informations do no please us ?

All along the debate of the last two months, 'belgium' indymedia replied 
and replied that the basic accusations that were pointed on them were 
lies. Lots of people omong whom yourself and you own local collective 
asked for proofs. What but extensive infos and details, left to people 
to evaluate by themselves could help to respond to such denials and 
demands ?
Certainly not silence nor blanked articles.
Sorry for the situation in anyway and hoping this flamewar and the 
unexpectable and unacceptable situation in belgium will not lead us to 
division, ressentment, and more censoring in our own relationship and 
websites.

Love.

Phil