[Imc-communication] Uruguay and the PoU / Principios de Unidad

[salhaun at phreaker.net]

--bad english  // --español


On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:51:17 -0300
Libertinus <libertinus at riseup.net> wrote:

> [castellano abajo]
> 
> a) Non profit is only that the objectives isn't get money.
> This can be a Cooperative, NGO's, asociation....
> That is why I think that we have to make more explicit this point.
> If we accept NGO practices we are accepting that a group takes the control from
> a group.

i agree totally :)
i think imc-barcelona would agree also

> 
> b) freesoft:
> 
> whenever possible = whenever possible
> 
> I think that this point is clear, if you have to go to a cybercafe isn't
> posible. But we can¡t accept a colective which use non free software in the
> website engine.
> 
> We can't accept collectives that use a non free soft in the web server. the
> can't have a real reason to make it imposible to use it.

i agree

> But other part is the indymedia office, we have both in uruguay, for lots of
> people is dificult to use GNU/linux  for work. More for  photographers and
> designers. And of course we don't pay any program.

i dont agree
which programs do they need that they are not in free software?
photoshop?>>gimp
freehand / illustrator?>>sodipodi / inkspace
premier? >> cinelerra
any other?

> And for personal hardware, each voluntarie can do what he/she want. no?
> 

of course :)
but it is very important to be consecuent as much as you can
we have to remember that micro$oft is a multinational and we are fighting them

> 
> C) just some quicky ideas. cheers.

thanks for your ideas :)
salut!!

> 
> ===============
> 
> a) Sin fines de lucro es solamente que sus objetivos no es generar ganancias.
> Esto puede ser una cooperative, una ONG, una asociación...
> 
> Es por eso que deberíamos ser más explícitos en este punto.
> Si aceptamos practicas del tipo ONG aceptaríamos que un grupo tome posesión del
> colectivo.

estoy d acuerdo completamente y creo q imc-barcelona tambien lo estara

> b) soft libre
> 
> cuando sea posible = cuando sea posible
> 
> Pienso que este punto es claro, Si tienes que ir a un cybercafé es porque no es
> posible. Pero no podemos aceptar un grupo que use soft propietario en su sitio
> w eb.
> 
> No podemos aceptar colectivos que usen soft propietario en su servidor web.
> Nunca tendrán una razón real para no usar  soft libre.

estoy d acuerdo

> Otra cosa son las oficinas, aquí tenemos ambos, Para muchas personas es dificil 
> usar GNU/lin  ux para trabajar. Más para fotógrafos y diseñados. Y claro, no
> pagamos ningun programa.

no estoy d acuerdo
q programas necesitan q no esteen ya en free software?
photoshop?>>gimp
freehand / illustrator?>>sodipodi / inkspace
premier? >> cinelerra
otros?

 
> Y en el uso personal cada voluntario/a puede hacer lo que quiera ¿no?

naturalmente :)
pero es muy importante intentar ser tan consecuentes como podamos
tenemos q recordar q micro$oft es una multinational y que estamos luchando contra ellas
 
> 
> C) solo algunas ideas rápidas. saludos
> 

gracias por tus ideas :)
salut!!

> 
> Libertinus ______________________
> http://uruguay.indymedia.org
> http://www.fotolog.net/libertino
> 
> 
> Mensaje citado por dri <dri at indymedia.org>:
> 
> | oi,
> |
> | some observations below;
> |
> | > One concern is regarding POU #9
> | >
> | > 9. All IMC's shall be committed to the use of free source code,
> | > whenever possible, in order to develop the digital infrastructure, and
> | > to increase the independence of the network by not relying on
> | > proprietary software.
> | >
> | > One imc asked for clarification on the meaning of whenever possible.
> | > Their request was never responded to.
> |
> | whenever possible = preferible
> |
> | requires a minimal tech knowledge and a machine. the first issue takes
> | only personal will, as the second one requires recources.
> |
> | is not possible for many volunteers from latin america that don_t have
> | computer at home and no money to buy one and acess indymedia through
> | cibercafes or other places.
> |
> | >
> | > Another concern is POU #5
> | >
> | > 5. The IMC Network and all local IMC collectives shall be
> | > not-for-profit.
> | >
> | > What does not-for-profit mean? For some it means people do not get
> | > paid, for others they interpret it in such a way that they can make
> | > indymedia their career and have a regular salary. Goodwill Industries
> | > is not-for-profit and the CEO makes $700,000 per year.
> |
> | non profit means no money to pay ppl. there are a lot of
> | alternative/independent media places that pay good money and offer very
> | cool jobs. indymedia is not the place to make money.
> |
> | dri
> | imc-brasil - not speaking on behalf of anyone but myself
> |
> |
> | > There needs to be discussion of these matters and more honest dialog
> | > about where various interests want to take indymedia.
> | >
> | > regards,
> | > deva
> | > portland imc contributor
> | >
> | >
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