[Imc-communication] Statement by the Cleveland.Indymedia Collective on the Belgium Situation

[Phil]

Claudio a écrit :

>Phil wrote:
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>Congratulations. From the people from outside indymedia taking part on
>the discution you are the loudest.
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thank u :-)
I just feel concerned. None of the Pou is of less importance to me ; so 
I care for the locals in Belgium you pressurize for years by now.

>You ask for respect but youself don't seem to respect people or imc's
>not following your thinking.
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I have faith in their own judgement. So i do not bother myself lying or 
trying to disguise my own opinions. this is different :-) I neither do 
contradict myself upon circomstances ; these frankly manners might make 
you feel uneasy, but I never ask anyone to follow my views : I just 
detail them. 

>>The constant accusations of supporting a red smearing is an offense to
>>all imcs involved in the support for the former dissafilliation demand.
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>Putting McCarty-like blacklists online with no proof at all, does it fit
>the picture?
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I do not support these behaviors as I already answered to you on the 
#communication irc channel (you are El_Che, right ?)
Please remember some of our irc conversations :
http://clampin.free.fr/indy-be/

>Maybe in good faith you missed my answer here:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-communication/2005-June/0612-iq.html
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I would not have missed a single answer comming from a member of 
collective as I always even slightly hoped there could be some 
exageration in the accusations from other collectives against you.
And my dissaproval of you behaviors has grown progressively what anybody 
may state reading my (verbous) successive mails.

>>In this statement Cleveland does not refer to the numerous elements of
>>proofs given inbetween coroborating facts that the belgium collective
>>does not follow this guidelines, functioning almost like a private
>>information agency, using arbitrary and variable editorial policy and
>>decision making, and no matter its color, controled by a single
>>political party.
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>See our answers to your allegations. Because you say so, it doesn't make
>so. We have been really open on our vision and where we want to go as a
>collective. Please stop the hysteria.
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You never answered anything but "these accusations are lies" while 
successive proofs on the other side tend to attest this was unfortunatly 
not the case :/

>Greetings,
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>Claudio, indymedia.be
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and sorry to all for replying invitations to flamewars which I can't 
help when back accused.

love

Phil
Toulouse