[Imc-communication] list of subscribers [PROPOSED discussion timeframe: 3 days]

[sheri@speakeasy.org]

from my experience as list admin of about 10 lists over the past 5 years, it's fairly common to have the list of subscribers available to the members of the list.  it isn't asking for something out of the ordinary.  i would say it is a more common practice than not having access, which is why i asked.  i think it's helpful. 

the information is just the email address.

sheri

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark burdett [mailto:mark at indymedia.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2005 11:26 PM
> To: 'andrés'
> Cc: '(((communication)))'
> Subject: Re: [Imc-communication] list of subscribers [PROPOSED discussion	timeframe: 3 days]
> 
> it's a setting in mailman.
> click Privacy, scroll down,
> Who can view subscription list? 
> __Anyone  __List members  __List admin only
> 
> --mark
> 
> On Sat, 07 May 2005 00:21:18 +0100, andrés wrote:
> > ...But,
> > 
> > 1). what method to you propose for making the list of subscribers 
> > available to subscribers (but not to the whole world?); and
> > 
> > 2). what data do you propose the list should contain?
> > 
> > mark burdett dijo el 07/05/2005 0:09:
> > > If no one expresses a concern about this change in 
> > > three days, I think we could consider it decided that 
> > > the list admins (dri at indymedia.org, anna at 
> > > mail.nadir.org, remi.d at mezimail.com, apb at 
> > > swissmail.org, wowi at grepgrrl.org, chiapas at 
> > > riseup.net) should make the roster available to 
> > > subscribers.
> > > 
> > > normally decisions should have a longer discussion 
> > > timeframe but this seems like a relatively trivial 
> > > matter..
> > > 
> > > --mark B.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 00:01:08 +0100, andrés wrote:
> > > 
> > >>sheri at speakeasy.org dijo el 06/05/2005 0:12:
> > >>
> > >>>hi,
> > >>>is it possible that the list of subscribers could be available to list members and not just to list admins?
> > >>
> > >>Techs would have to answer this question, as such, sheri. The list of 
> > >>subscribers is part of the administration interface and would seem to be 
> > >>part of the overall list services design/implementation.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>i'm not sure i understand why that is the case or if it was something this list agreed to.
> > >>
> > >>Such decisions would surely have to be taken by a consensus of users?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>i can understand the list not being public,
> > >>
> > >>The list _is_ public, in the sense that _anyone_ can *read* the archives 
> > >>(and gain access to data via google, for example). The only restriction 
> > >>is in _subscribing_ and therefore writing to the list, where we first 
> > >>request that an introductory message (also known as a roll-call) is 
> > >>first provided, briefly describing the subscriber's participation in 
> > >>indymedia as a volunteer with particular collective(s) - since the 
> > >>principle is that non-indymedia-volunteers do not get to subscribe here 
> > >>(but anyone can still read the archives).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>but only available to list admins make less sense.  is there a reason for this
> > >>
> > >>See above
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>and if there isn't, can we have it available to those who are on the list?  since the imc communication list is for inter-imc communication, knowing who is on the list with you (apart from the sporadic intros - which would be great to have wiki-ized), would be helpful.  just a thought.
> > >>
> > >>I've run a quick experiment and, well, yes, it seems it _would_ be 
> > >>mostly possible to create a wiki page listing imc-communication members' 
> > >>email addresses and names/nicks and their respective introductory 
> > >>messages or roll-calls (thanks to the above-mentioned archives!).
> > >>
> > >>But it would require several hours of (manual or programmer's) work to 
> > >>do so.
> > >>
> > >>And, IMHO, it may not be very desireable to make so much personal 
> > >>information (easily) publically available...
> > >>
> > >>Once again, it looks like an issue, if you really want to pursue it, 
> > >>that would need to be debated and decided by list- and imc-members.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>thanks,
> > >>>sheri
> > >>
> > >>at your service :)
> > >>
> > >>PS: if have an interest but difficulty knowing who someone is in this 
> > >>list, try running a google search on the email address (but replace the 
> > >>@ with a space), combined with "imc-communication") and scan the results...
> > >>
> > >>-- 
> > >>andrés
> > >>imc-canarias
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> > 
> > -- 
> > andrés
> > imc canarias
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