[Imc-communication] [Fwd: [IMC-Process] supporting BLOCK [en][es] from imc-canarias of imc-lieges's proposal (disaffilacion of imc.belgium)]

[andrés]

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Subject: [IMC-Process] supporting BLOCK [en][es] from imc-canarias of 
imc-lieges's proposal (disaffilacion of imc.belgium)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 00:06:57 +0100
From: andrés <apb at swissmail.org>
To: (((process))) <imc-process at lists.indymedia.org>
CC: (((canarias))) <imc-canarias at lists.indymedia.org>

[EN (ES debajo)] Summary: imc-canarias supports imc-cleveland´s BLOCK
and is of the opinion that before disaffiliation decisions are taken at
the global level there should first take place, as seems to be
necessary, a process of mediation at the local level aiming for the
peaceful coexistance of the local collectives.

[ES] Resumen: imc-canarias apoya el BLOQUEO de imc-cleveland,
considerando que antes de tomar decisiones sobre desafiliaciones a nivel
global debe tener lugar, como parece ser necesario, un proceso de
mediación a nivel local con el fin de que los colectivos locales
coexisten en paz.

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[EN (ES debajo)] imc-canarias supports imc-cleveland´s BLOCK of
imc-liege's proposal for the disaffiliation of imc-belgium.
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-process/2005-0427-rz

We are of the opinion, in the first place, that to agree to the
disaffiliation of any indymedia collective is a very serious decision
which, although it affects the entire global network, should not be
taken at the global level without first seeing the parties in dispute at
least, as seems to be necessary, pass through a mediation phase, with
the genuine intention on all sides of finding a lasting solution, at the
most local level (the Belgian collectives).

We have not seen proven, from the outside, the accusation that
imc-belgium does not respect the principles of unity (nor the insinuated
counter-accusation against the other Belgian collectives). We do
observe, although perhaps not very clearly, two different ways of
working, of being alternative media. It seems to us that the two groups
are doing, each in their way, important and useful work, and that they
should be capable, amongst themselves and starting now, of seeking a way
to, as a minimum, coexist peacefully as fully autonomous collectives:
the alternative is, without a doubt, to continue to cause damage to the
(human) networks and to the reputations of the Indymedia collectives in
Belgium and beyond Belgium.


[ES] imc-canarias apoya el BLOQUEO de imc-cleveland de la propuesta de
imc-liege de desafiliación de imc-belgium.
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-process/2005-0427-rz

Consideramos, en primer lugar, que acordar la desafiliación de cualquier
colectivo de indymedia es una decisión muy seria que, aunque afecta a
toda la red global, no debe ser tomada por la red a nivel global sin
antes ver a las partes en disputa pasar, como mínimo, como parece ser
necesario, por una fase de mediación, con verdaderas ganas de encontrar
una solución duradera de parte de todos los lados, al nivel máslocal
(los colectivos de Bélgica).

No vemos probada, desde fuera, la acusación de que imc-belgium no
respeta los principios de unidad (ni tampoco la insinuada
contra-acusación de que los otros colectivos belgas no los cumplen).Sí
observamos, aunque tal vez no muy nítidamente, dos maneras distintasde
trabajar, de ser medios alternativos. Nos parece que los dos grupos
hacen, a su manera, un trabajo importante y útil, y que deben ser
capaces de buscar entre sí y empezando ahora la forma de, como mínimo,
coexistir en paz como colectivos plenamente autónomos: la alternativa
es, sin lugar a duda, continuar haciendo daño a las redes (humanas) y a
las reputaciones de los colectivos de Indymedia en Bélgica y más allá de
Bélgica.


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andrés
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andrés
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